Yep, and what did that run game rank in yards per attempt that season? 17th in the league, or was it 16th? the epitomy of average at best when compared to the peer's. And yes he threw 28 interceptions that year, in 587 attempts..and no one is going to deny Peyton struggled his first year....no one. But, that year was also one of the two losing seasons a Peyton led team ever had....and one of only 2 years a Peyton led team didn't make the playoffs, and one of only 2 years that he turned the ball over more than 20 times through interceptions...and the 26 TD's he put on the board to go with those 28 interceptions was also the ONLY time he'd ever thrown more picks than TD's and 26 TD's remains his career low for a season. In other words Peyton got much better after his rookie season...as opposed to some other QB who stayed pretty much the same year in and year out...... The fact you are trying to elevate Mark by using Peyton and trying to downgrade Peyton shows exactly how weak your pro Sanchez argument is.
Chip isn't a proven commodity in the NFL. Give him credit going from OC at New Hampshire to HC of the boo birds in about 10 years. Making Mark a full service Qb didn't work here and I don't think it will work there. But it'll be interesting.
I think you misunderstand me. I don't give a shit if you ever give him clean praise, in fact I hope you never do. I hope whatever he does good you can find some way to dismiss it (because I know whenever he does something bad you'll be attacking like always). You'll use your tired old metrics and fake stats and spread sheets to prove he hasn't "earned" your clean praise, which is LOLworthy but completely your perogative. I don't give a shit, I just find it pathetic is all. _
You're wrong, I dont' misunderstand you. and here you have your full clear objective mission. you just want to pile on personal hate, you aren't interested in anything but bashing me, and you just out and out admitted that's all you are interested in. Small minded, bully who doesn't have an argument, doesn't have a stance except for "I'm going to get you sucker". nothing more...you're an empty cracked vessel, a waste of humanity.
-Hobbes3259 questions how one can expect QB X to succeed without criteria A -1968jetsfan asserts any QB whose success is dependent on criteria A is by definition a JAG -legler82 identifies HOF QB whose success was dependent on criteria A -1968jetsfan proceeds to modify criteria A -legler82 asks 1968jetsfan to categorize the first 4 years' stats of QB Y which are similar to QB X to establish some JAG parameters -1968jetsfan categorizes QB Y as a JAG -legler82 is satisfied with this categorization. QB Y, who just happens to be a 2 time SuperBowl champion, is a JAG just like QB X. -1968jetsfan continues contrast the stats of QB X and Y -legler82 believes that now that QB X and Y are now both JAGs, 1968jetsfan is now trying to introduce degrees of JAGness (i.e., JAG standard, JAG plus, JAG premium)?
True in part, but not in fullness....remember half truths are also half lies. I did assert that a QB whose success is solely dependent on the talent around him is at best a JAG. Since when is Eli Manning a HOF QB? His brother is most certainly, Eli? perhaps...but he's not even a top 5 QB among his contemporaries so HOF, while possible, is a stretch. I Never modified Criteria A, I clarified what a JAG is....AVERAGE guy...middle 1/3 is average. No modification of terms, clarification. Remember, you called the breakdown of information in the analysis "Gibberish", it was all factual. Nothing made up, all straight from official sites, no fancy formulas... You wanted me to admit that A=B because after 4 years C was roughly the same D. Which wasn't the case beyond just a casual look. 2 cars over 4 years travel one travels 4000 miles, averages 49MPH. The other car travels 3750 miles and averages 45MPH... They're roughly equal right? But Car A drove 95% of the time on the highway and was on the road 5 hours a day on average. Car B drove 50/50 on highway city and averaged 2.5 hours A day on the road. Car A was a 1973 Pinto, Car B a 2015 Vette...so because their end numbers were roughly the same the two cars are equal? If so I'll go out and find a 73 Pinto to trade you for a vette. It's not the end numbers that matter over a span of multiple seasons, it's how they arrived at those numbers.
For my dick rider. It was a busy day at work. Actually, still working right now but it's after normal business hours and I have time between some batch jobs I'm running.
forgot about Young, but stand by the fact that it's an invalid comparison comparing a guy who was traded after 19 games to a guy who was cut at 64 starts. BTW key word is traded, in other words yet ANOTHER reason the comparison isn't valid, the Bucs received a 2nd and a 4th for young, who was drafted in the supplemental draft. the other was cut despite taking a massive cap hit in cutting him so Young wasn't even given up on and another team found VALUE in trading for him. Translation...no comparison point...
It's interesting that you are making an argument about considering other factors with regards to stats, but system, coaching and surrounding talent are not factors worth consideration.
But that wasn't part of that portion of the discussion now was it? I mean if on every post we have to address every issue we've previously addressed then these posts are going to be about 2 gigabytes long eventually aren't they? But hey, it keeps from having to discuss the actual points made by deflecting to another (previously addressed) point doesn't it. It's always been an admission that players around a QB and the system makes a difference...but the question is does the QB make the players around him better or is the QB reliant on the players around him to make him better? I mean Ideally you'd love a situation where everyone makes everyone better but in this world of salary caps that just doesn't happen. There are always going to be weak links. The point is if you need to be in an ideal system and with ideal players around you in order to even reach respectable levels are you a good QB? I mean put Geno in an Airraid offense with top of the line receivers and he'll look a whole lot better than he's looked so far (not saying an air raid offense would work in the NFL: BTW). Because if you need the system to be successful and it's not the QB then why ever pay a QB more than 6M a year? the Receivers and the coaches are worth more at that point, right?
Now if you want to pay you're QB 5M then you can afford to have, and keep, elite receivers, RB's and O-line to make that QB successful in that system.
BTW I would have been in favor of keeping Sanchez this year IF he could have been kept for 4-5M with no money owed beyond this year...same basic deal Vick got, now vick I just don't like and I admit that I don't like Vick....strictly for the dogfighting reason....personal bias, never trust anyone who can mistreat and be cruel to animals...
And all of your points, are SYSTEM related. It's not reading defenses, it's having receivers in an open position. (Hint...offense always has the edge because they know where they are going...it is that simple) poor decisions, well...when teams know you have reads that take 2-3 seconds to make, it's easy to jump secondary and tertiary routes. not much of an excuse for inaccuracy in the short game, except that schitty didnt use it much.
I said, point blank, before he was cut ...that was his price point. If I knew it, and the Eagles got him at it, the only guy that didn;t get it, was Idzik.
Coming from a guy who is obsessed with compulsively shitting in an ex-Jet, this is quite funny. One of your most entertaining posts to date, so much more so than your tired same old bullshit. _
Really, this coming from the same person who has said the exact same thing over the last week or two? over and over and over and over. Really, I've heard 3rd graders that were more creative...less vulgar, but more creative.
The point is that he would have had to have been cut and then resigned, no renegotation, that would have left money on the books in future years. The only option was to cut and possibly resign. That wasn't going to happen on either side, and as I said back then the best thing for both Sanchez and the Jets were both to move on. If Sanchez was/is ever to succeed it would have to be some place else, he was done in New York
It is reading defenses because in the Jets system he had to read and make decisions. In the Eagles system it's almost all timing routes, minimal read.
