His point is he wants Cooper at the cost of a franchise QB and rather than just say he hasn't played in a pro set offense and may need to transition, he needs to drop the amorphous "raw" designation that is meaningless and not applicable, then will sprinkle in an "inept pocket passer" to boot. It's ok to like a prospect, but making up stupid stuff to ding a competing prospect is childish. _
Wow what originality to copy what I just said. Mariota is not the opposite of raw - I already explained this 100 times. Cooper is in Sammy's class - they go about their business differently. Oh look using the snaps under center argument, when it's not the only reason why I believe Mariota is raw. Cooper might be the first overall pick in this year's draft. But you trade the entire draft for Mariota - Mike Ditka would be proud.
Mariota is not a franchise quarterback, he has not taken a snap in the NFL. Just like the term "raw", you obviously don't know the term "franchise quarterback" neither. Good job Ditka
Or we could go the patented "throw away a 1st round pick in this upcoming draft and never find your franchise QB" route. It's clear which way you've picked. I just can't see how you're so sold on Mariota as the answer. I'm not saying he's going to be bad, but it's certainly possible. You have to see that with any prospect, they are more likely to be on the street in a few years than in the HOF after a long career. Like I said--I'm not saying he's going to be bad at all, he has the tools and the make-up to be great. But there are guys most every year that fit the same description. I'm just not sold on the idea that this guy is the guy to build around.
So, Mariota's NFL comparison is Kaepernick. Let's say you draft Kaepernick - are you comfortable having him running a pro-offense week 1? Remember you aren't sitting him down, he's your franchise quarterback.
Oh so that's the literal meaning of "franchise QB"? That's the childishness you've stooped to? So Luck wasn't a franchise QB when he graduated Stanford? LOL. _
Unfortunately for you Mariota won't make it pass the Jets. With regards to the Kaep comparisons, Mariota is often compared to Kaep mainly because of their similar size and athleticism but that where it ends at least that's where I think it should. As a passer, Mariota is way further along. If I had to pick a current NFL player to compare Mariota to as a passer, it would be Alex Smith (the current NOT earlier version). If Kaep and Smith had a baby it would be Mariota except the baby would have a much quicker and more efficient release than both parents.
Not until you go out there and prove you are a franchise QB. I rarely use the term it's overused. Hahah Childish ... funny you say that.
Which is completely fair. I don't think passing on a guy in the hopes that you grab a guy in THIS draft in the 3rd round to "develop" him is anything more than throwing away a 3rd round pick. And you STILL don't have a franchise QB. Btw, Mariota could bust but I think his bust factor is low. But we have to keep trying evry chance we get to GET that guy. We may not be drafting this low again for years--a bunch of 6-10s and 7-9s and drafting in the middle of the pack will get us nowhere. _
Of course I would not spend a high first round pick on the equivalent of Kaepernick. The question is whether Mariota is better than him, a better prospect. I am not speaking to that question. I also dont know where this throw all the draft picks in for signing Mariota is coming from. Isn't that overreaching as an argument?
Btw, the comparisons are being made because of their physical size and running ability. Mariota is 100x the passer and played against 100x better competition in college. Kaep needed to sit for a while. Mariota I don't think so much. I'm still in favor of sitting him for a year but he may not need it. I'm thinking more like Eli. _
I don't think Kaepernick is all that impressive. They reverted back to a run heavy offense because Kaepernick couldn't handle the load. I don't know if Mariota is better to be honest - a lot of people liked Kaepernick as a sleeper. JStokes believes in making a Mike Ditka trade for Mariota if need be. He says, "Whatever it takes" - it's in his post history. Surely I will find it later on.
I understand your point, and it is certainly plausible. I freely admit being hindered in such discussions becuase I recognize I literally do not have time to follow college football, and don't. But Kaepernick is an interesting metric here. As far as I am concerned one would want to be reasonably confident that Mariota is better. Kaepernick ws the equivalent of a sugar rush when the Niners benched Smith and started him. He's the kind of Qb who can succeed short term until opponents get enough game film on him. And there are plenty of types that fit that description, since DC's are in the business of finding your weaknesses. But taking it to the next level, I dont see the Niners as likely to find a way to counter the ways Kaep is being countered, and I am sure there is a sizeable amount of Niners fans who wish they still had Alex Smith instead. I know I would say that. But I digress. There's a risk no doubt taking a Qb in particular with a high pick. So many differences for htat position from the college game, among other things. How will the guy respond to the spotlight, the pressure? But you are correct that the Jets should be positioned fairly well this draft, and if Mariota is a chance worth taking, you pull that trigger.
So when we use hyperbole to make a point, THAT'S what you look to? Go find my posts where I laid out in detail why it's not GOING to take much to move up. Give up the farm is a saying, a phrase, expressing my desire to get the guy. If we're drafting 3 and Jax and Oakland are in front of us--they already have their "franchise" QBs, we're not going to have to do even an RG3 deal, we may get away with a Sanchez type deal. But yeah, you take what I mean to say we should trade our entire draft to move up 2 or 3 spots. Now who's being the childish jackass? And he ain't "raw", he's as polished as there is in college right now. _
