I am a tough grader, greatness is more than just rankings/#s in the reg season. Hard to be great and give up 20 4th qtr pts in a SB. I think the '01 Pats D was the best.
Losing all your games doesn't help your future. It creates a culture of losing. Esp when you have a lot of good young players like the Jets. I'd rather win!
You can't look at "history" i.e., how our Scouting Dept. (and I use that term lightly) previous scouted and our GMs have drafted, when thinking about the future. I have a ton of questions and not a lot of faith in Idzik at this point, but I do have hope that at least Rex, and possibly Idzik too will be gone following this season. If Rex and his CS are gone and replaced with an experienced HC, and hopefully one who has been an offensive coach, the drafting philosophy has at least a chance of being better and focused more on the offense, and there will be a chance that players will be better developed by the new CS. If Idzik goes too, then we have hope that the new GM will clean house in the Scouting Dept. and do a much better job in the draft going forward. For sure, Vick and Geno aren't the answers and neither is any vet QB who will be a FA during the offseason. A vet FA can hopefully be someone to play at a decent level without frequently turning the ball over while the rookie QB we draft learns on the sidelines for a year or two. That vet won't get us to the SB, however. In order to get to and win a SB we HAVE to have a quality franchise QB, and the only way we'll get one is to draft and develop him.
No it isn't a fact. Andy Dalton hasn't lit it up, but he hasn't killed the Bengals. The idea in getting a franchise QB is that he will develop into a guy who has a real shot at becoming a Pro Bowler every year. Yes, it hurts if he doesn't develop or play up to that level, but you have to try to get a franchise type. Very few great QBs are found after the first round. That's a fact.
This pretty much sums it up........ I for one enjoyed the win against the Steelers yesterday...we hardly ever beat them and I've always hated that team. There are no guarantees in the draft ..... and there are no Peyton Mannings or Andrew Lucks available. Sure Mariota may turn out to be a great QB. But at what cost? The Jets can finish the season at 3-13 and be guaranteed say the third pick. What's not to guarantee another team say the Buffalo Bills or St. Louis Rams who may own the ninth or tenth pick to trade a king's ransom to move ahead of the Jets and select Mariota anyway? Would you want the Jets to trade 3 first round picks to move up two or three spots to draft a QB in the hope he turns into a franchise guy? The Jets need a lot more than a QB although I do think a QB is high on the list. The Jets need to get their own house in order first and upgrade their scouting people, GM, etc. before they even talk about who they select..... There are some good young players on this team but the Jets are still a good 2 drafts away from being a solid contender.
To quote you, "Because you say so?" Who in the heck are YOU? Just some blind guy who has his head up Winston's ass. You probably think Rex is a great HC too! ROFLMAO
Of course it hurts if you miss, but what are the options? The team isn't gonna win a SB with a vet FA QB. More than likely the team isn't gonna find another Brady in the 6th round. You have to do a thorough job scouting and evaluating the players, then roll the dice. The draft is a crap shoot, and educated guess. The Jets' only chance of winning a SB is to draft a franchise QB.
Well, I think the 03 team had the best individual defense, game in and game out, and outside of the SB, had two very good playoff games (gave up only 14 points each Vs Tenn and Vs. Ind). The 01 team had a very good defense, as well. The other thing about that 01 team is that I can never look past the fact that Oakland had them beat in their own building. The tuck rule was one of the silliest rules in NFL history.
He's been killing the Bengals each yr they make the playoffs with stinky ass performances, along with forever Marvin Lewis. That team was so stacked last year, amazing how they didn't make it to the AFCCG.
How many Super Bowls has Dalton won (or even got to) since he was drafted? Dalton being on the team prevents Cincinnati from getting a Pro Bowl QB (which you pretty much have to have to win a Super Bowl). He's a detriment.
I just don't see any reason to think this QB draft class is going to be any better than the one in which we chose Geno. It seems like a great opportunity to fix our O-line and DB problems, bring in a FA QB who can hold the fort 'till we get some kind of roster put together, then mentor a QB picked in the next year or two. If nothing else, I'd rather spend a third and a fourth on two QBs and let them try to compete, develop, and learn the system than blow another top pick on a dud only to rinse and repeat in a couple of years. Of course, that all depends on bringing in a front office and coaching staff who can 1) get the picks right, 2) actually develop players, 3) keep one offensive system in place for more than a handful of years, and 4) not blow the cap and have to start over in a few years. Considering what this franchise has had around for it's entire history, having more than one of those at a time would be a freaking miracle.
Don't worry about which are low draft picks, Pennington was picked first and he was the only real QB the Jets ever had. Get to pick a QB that won for his team not his statistics. There were 6 other QB's picked in Penington's draft class and the only other decent one was the 7th QB, Brady at 199.
Oakland had a chance to stop them even after the rule was made(correct rule just dumb rule). Oak failed, that same SL team got a BS call to win the '99 title game but people forget about that for some reason.
Try telling this to the fans who were rejoicing over the meaningless week 17 triumph in Miami last year. The win which dropped the team from picking @ #11 overall to #18. Could have had Odell Beckham Jr. (a guy I admittedly did not want, but who looks like a star for the NYG) instead of special teams coverage guy Calvin Pryor
Still like what Idzik is doing? Still glad we got "value" in the draft? Funny how you show up after a win but were curiously quite during an unprecedented losing streak that caused the fanbase to realize that your boy Idzik and his "plan" are an embarrassment.
B/c he raped an 18 year old girl and got away with it (for now). Kid would be in jail now if the Tallahassee police department didnt go out of its way to a) not investigate b) cover it up bc he was the Seminoles meal ticket to a title. How any sane adult thinks that this kid should be allowed to play football is beyond me. Have you ever listened to the dude speak? He very likely can't read about an elementary school level. He's very likely learning disabled dumb. Geno Smith is fucking Aristotle by comparison. And you can't do SHIT in the NFL as a QB without incredible brain power. Cam Newton has ten times the talent of Jameis, and twice the brain, and STILL isn't smart enough to get it done. You people never fucking learn.
But picking the best prospect based on that draft, aka "value" is a horrendous idea. Geno and Mark may have been the best of that year, but that didn't make them good or worthy of the selection. Anyone with a small amount of knowledge of the college game could tell you that Geno was going to be a disaster, and that Mark was nothing special.
True, but I just felt Oakland was the better team. And the tuck rule was so silly. That was a fumble in every backyard/schoolyard in America. I think the NFL outsmarts itself sometimes. (It has similar issues with what is a catch and what isn't a catch in today's game). And Tampa definitely got hosed against STL. In fact, that was essentially THE play to bring back instant replay.
I'm arguing against the idea of losing to gain draft position. Are you arguing for it? If you then not being too keen on Sanchez as a draft prospect isn't relevant because you're not really making the general case. You just didn't happen to like Sanchez as a prospect. Are you in favor of tanking because you like Winston and/or Mariota? Ok fine. Are you just posting something off topic because it's related to my post? It's cool. BTW, the bolded is horsecrap.
I'm in favor of hiring an entirely new front office and coaching staff. Whatever happens in between is fine with me. I enjoyed the win. And I am on record from 2009 as being unhappy with the Sanchez pick, and I was vehemently opposed to the Geno pick. So no, not bullshit. I could see Geno being a bust from 100 miles away. And it's conveniently on record on this site from the day of the draft. If I can see it from my couch in my basement, how the FUCK can John Idzik not? Bc he is drafting based on numbers and charts and value, not on intuition and scouting.
