I don't think that phrase applies to the situation at hand the way its thought that it does. in fact heres a better one "correlation does not equal causation" the failings of other coaches like Herm or Rex or Mangini have nothing to do with their being defensive minds or rookie Head coaches. blame the man, not the genre. we can just as easily win with a rookie head coach thats a defensive mind as we could lose with one, because thats not the sole determining factor of coaching quality there is. none of those guys we have had as coaches in the past has anything to do with the current crop we'll choose from, the only relevant factors are the ones right in front of us, namely what kind of talent we have, what the leading coaching philosophies are, etc. All i'm saying is that we shouldn't turn down a defensive coach JUST for being a defensive coach, and we should ESPECIALLY not do that to any rookie head coach either (those seem to work out enough for other teams even if they haven't here). If we thought Todd Bowels or somebody was the man that would inspire this team we shouldn't reject him out of principle. Just as well if we're sure a coach that happens to be an offensive mind is the best man for the job that go for it. We can't be making decisions based on who's failed last time and especially not several years ago. Do what you think will catapult the team forward regardless of whats come before, don't make decisions on superstitions or lazy assumptions.
I agree that those specific men have nothing to do with the current crop we'll choose from, but respectfully disagree with the rest. Everyone knows that coaches are biased towards the side of the ball on which they used to be a coordinator. Former defensive coordinators want to focus on the defense, particularly in terms of their view of needs in FA and the draft. It has been a LONG time since the Jets have had a HC who came from the offensive side of things, and as a direct result, it's been a long time since the Jets' offense was made to be the focus of the Jets' team and it has been a long time since the Jets have had anywhere near a topflight offense. There's a very direct correlation. Similarly, the odds are against rookie HCs being successful. They have to figure out how to do things. There are a million things to think of, and usually it takes time and experience for them to realize there are aspects of leading the team of which they never considered. There's a learning curve, while they flesh out their philosophy fully, and develop their way of doing things. This cannot be denied. Of course some are better and some are better prepared than others, but no rookie comes in and is totally great off the bat. Those who do the best have been HCs at some level and/or have been long term coordinators and developed a reputation for being very organized, disciplined and proficient as Coordinators. They've had time to work under various coaches with differing philosophies, systems, approaches, and they think about a lot of things before they ever become HCs. Rex obviously hadn't. He had only been a DC for a year or two, and that under one HC.
I think BBs real expertise is with DBs. He did it with the Jets and Giants and had real good success. Also, his Ty Law led secondary was very good those first few years. Other than that, I think leaders like Bruschi and Brady have carried him.
Well he's whiffed on a quite few DBs in the draft right? No star player back there. Browner and Revis are both FA acquisitions. McCourty had to be changed to DB because he regressed so badly on D. Chung is there still? Merriweather is gone too. His talent has been more on offense in NE. That offense has gone through some dramatic shifts from what it first was when he took over. The NFL rules changed, but look back at the 2001 offense to the offense of 2007 to the offense of 2011 and it's ridiculous the changes it went through. He really adapted the offense to highlight Brady's ability and the talented around him. But again that's coaching. His drafting, I think has been okay to good, nothing special
He does not appear to be good at picking anybody in the draft. Cannot give him credit for Brady, who he picked 6th. I was referring to his coaching background. He is good at schemes more than player development. But he had some talent in the DB when he won the super bowls and those guys mad splays. He also coached Jet DBs well when he was here with the tuna. People forget: Al Groh was the DC when BB was here. He has shown that he is adaptable. Offense was never his bag.
Yeah I give him credit for coaching and developing players and finding a system/scheme that lets him plug and fit players. (11 wins with Matt Cassell!) Yeah if you look back at those SB teams, they weren't as QB centric like his team is now. It's why so many people think Brady/Bill wasted each others prime. 3 SB before Brady hit his best football ever, 0 since then. That's football for you.
Oh I see, so taking the Patriots to 5 SB appearance as GM and HC is just nothing. Please learn how to read someone's Bio. He also won NFL Coach of the year so it's not just Gronk and Brady its skill. Something you fail to recognize perhaps because your own lack knowledge and I think a bit condescending to a Hall of Fame coach. I am a 45 year Jet fan but have always said the organization needs to learn why other winners are winners.
Read again. I called him a defensive genius coaching wise, gave him credit for developing Brady and god forbid I call him a good personnel guy not a great one. And as a GM/HC he did not take them to 5 SB, he too them to 2. I am referring to him as the combination of both jobs. And the 2 were because they found an all time great QB before he was GM.
