Not much on the draft. I do not watch a ton of college football. But I have to say that when they took Pryor I was not thinking about a safety. I was thinking wideout. Was he better than all the remaining wideouts? Not my department. Still, I thought the playbook for the draft was BPA so I said fine, he looks good. They followed their board the year before. But I wonder if they did that this past draft? I am not so sure they did. Unless the guys who made up their board are dribbling idiots. No one thinks McDougle would have gone as high as he did. And I cannot believe that one of those receivers was not higher on their board than Amaro, who, granted, has been good. The idea is to pick the best guy. I just think they drifted some this draft. Still, if Pryor, Amaro and McDougle become starters (McD is probably a nickel).... if a project like Dozier comes through down the line. Not bad. Folks just need to get a grip.
Here's the problem I have with this thinking. A lot of people bring up the fact that both McDougle & Milliner are on IR but my issue with this is it was a big assumption that the rookie would be a big contributor and that Milliner , the 3 game HOF'er, would have been the "shutdown" CB the CS was expecting. I think that was a HUGE assumption. Also they never took into consideration the fact that if that thinking didn't pan out, there was no backup plan in place except signing some castoffs that also had a history of injuries and weren't proven or battle tested at that position.
We did it Rexs first two years there's no reason we coudnt have done it again,assuming the qb doesn't turn the ball over 4 times a game
Rex needs to go. He needed to go two years ago. He needed to go at the end of last year. The timing is right to get rid of him on Monday. We need to see what we have in some players that we won't be able to do with the dead man walking lifeless shit show that is going on right now. No one is playing hard for Rex. And don't give me the defense in a bad spot bullshit. I was at the KC game and watched the piece of crap defense let them march down the field for 2 touchdowns before we finished stretching, The fact that more of the fan base wants Idzik gone more than Rex just shows how retarded the majority of the fan base is. You hire a GM, you need to give him 4 or 5 years to put his plan together - shit Rex has been a god awful HC in some areas over and over for longer than that. No one can honestly judge the job he has done especially since he was never given the opportunity to one of the main functions of his job - hire a coach. Milliner was the right pick to make, but it hasn't worked out yet - McDougle who really knows? Heck, even Geno was the right pick at the time -- The biggest knock about Geno should be how the coaching staff handled it since day one, not on the GM who took a shot on the QB who was pretty much agreed the best prospect in the draft who fell to a position where it made sense. UNLIKE picks like Gholston, Hill and Ducasse who were just awful stretches.
Doesn't change my sentiment at all, true though it may be. You need to plan to have the bodies needed where you need them. This is now the second time in the last three seasons where the Jets are basically holding open tryouts for guys off the street to man a critical position. This just has to stop happening.
Neither will go prior to the end of the season. Hopefully all of them will, walk the plank. I like Rex, but really don't see him as a great HC.
I think if the Jets get blown out by Pittsburgh tomorrow, somebody is out come Monday. It's more likely Rex. I think how the team finishes out the rest of the season will determine Idzik. As for whether Idzik should get four to five years to see whether his plan works out, I think the first two years tells the story. The team has regressed. His drafts have gotten worse. His press conference proves he is an uninspiring leader, who seems clueless. Woody will make the move if fans stop coming to the games and revenues fall. By the way, I don't think Rex has been "god-awful" I think he has done as well as the personnel has allowed him to be, Thjs roster is terrible and that's on Idzik. But I will say this, what kills Rex is that Cleveland's roster is just as bad, and Pettine has gotten that team to 6-3.
Things this season haven't worked out on a lot of fronts. It's not just personnel. Most of us would agree: the Jets are a better team than 1-8. Probably number one on the list is the quarterback: After a good last 4 games in 2013 they thought he would improve. Who would have thought he was so bad he could actually have a zero rating in a game. Or that anyone else could for that matter. At other positions like corner there was a plan but with injuries, etc it didn't work. But there was a plan. Just not a good enough one. In their 9 games they've been blown out in 2. The rest they were in the games but never good enough to be able to come from behind. They were underdogs in all of those games. And lost them all. They haven't had an easy one yet since opening day. Now they play another good team. A team whose on a roll.
I think it's hard to make that argument ....that it's not the personnel but that's it's the quarterback. That's one and the same unless you think Geno isn't being coached well. If your starting QB is 33rd out of 32 teams, you have a personnel or coaching problem. It's probably both. Yes the CB injury to Millner sucked. Patterson going AWOL was a surprise but to be honest he was getting smoked by Hasselbeck and Indy's third stringers so not sure what we lost there. And teams like the Ravens can win even though they are losing corners. It's not an excuse. What's the point of having good defensive line that can stop the run if you get smoked through the air every game? Let's not kid ourselves. We aren't a "good 1-8 team". We are a disaster due to top to bottom poor management leaving us to root for a team that is flat out uncompetitive. and if we played the Raiders last week instead of week 1 we are probably 0-9. Our roster is undoubtedly worse than 2 years ago offset by a better salary cap.
Regressing in order to get better -- that is what happens when you rebuild, this years roster is actually a lot better than last years. So is that on the HC or the GM. I said "god awful in some areas" -- Clock Management, Timeouts, Challenges, developing young players, team discipline, team coming out flat and uninspired, 3rd down defense, red zone offense -- All areas that have been a thorn in the side of this team since Rex's arrival.
I'm not saying our record is because of Geno. But it's the number one reason and miscalculation of the Jets this season. Again no true Qb competition. Did Geno earn the job at the end of last season. They seemed to think so. At least this time around they benched the guy. As for the defense. We have enough very good players to be playing a lot better than this.
Not sure they were planning on starting McD. They probably really were having a competition among corners and thought they could get adequate play out of at least 3 guys: Patterson, Walls and McD. I agree Milliner was too unproven to go into the season with him as your top cover corner. Look they did try to sign at least 2 elite guys: they went after Davis and thought they had him. Plus they were one of the final 2 teams DRC considered signing with. There really weren't that many other proven corners on the open market. Many teams are short of corners because of injuries not just the Jets. But they are not 1-8. I think the coaching sucks, too.
Has Rex lost the team esp the defense. If sure looks like it. If you look at some of our games even though they sometimes gave up big plays there were plenty of stops too. They kept us in games. The problem was the offense couldn't sustain a drive or score and the D eventually succumbed to it. So if they lost the D with all of it's good players that is when it happened. When the D players came to the simple conclusion that even if they played hard they weren't going to win.
What this franchise honestly needs is a full & thorough house cleaning, nothing short of that will do. Rex, Johnny GM, & the entire scouting department need to go. The new GM needs to be a major candidate with a strong resume, not some #'s guy from last seasons SB winner. This is exactly why the house cleaning needs to start Monday. We need all the time and head start on the other franchises looking to make changes after the season, to do our due diligence and make sure we hand the reigns over to the right guy. This is a major turning point for this franchise, one that will shape the next 10+ years. With a top 3 draft pick being a real possibility, along with the $ available under the cap, mistakes cannot be made. If we put the right people in place and solidify our scouting department , coupled with the proven stars on both sides of the ball, this team can work it's way back to legitimacy within the next 2 years. My plan over the next 2 years would be; Draft a QB in the first round, whatever it takes to get the guy they think is the next "franchise QB" must be done. Sign a veteran QB to hold the fort for a year so the rookie doesn't need to be thrown to the wolves right away. Get Mo's deal done, show that there's loyalty for "our" guys who perform. This is especially important for the new regime to show good faith and instill confidence to attract other FA's. Try to rework Harvin's deal to a more cap friendly # allowing the addition of another veteran at the WR position Sign another veteran WR, one that would come at a reasonable price tag. Go after another TE in the draft. Cumberland is decent but I'd love to see a tandem like Gronk & the murderer once were. Obviously the CB position needs addressing but I want to sign at least one proven FA. Part ways with CJ2K, just not worth it imo. Something I would consider; Depending on the outcome of his hearing, give Ray Rice some serious consideration. I think the kid would come back with a vengeance and tow the line after what he's been through. Now obviously I'm going to be picked apart for my opinions here, and I'm not claiming to be a capologist by any stretch of the imagination, but this is my fantasy and I figured I'd put it out there.
I'm probably the only Jet fan that feels this way at this point, but I actively want Idzik to keep his job through this upcoming offseason. He's certainly had some swing and misses but I can see the framework of what he's trying to build and I like it.
Chris Ivory and Percy Harvin are the best offensive weapons the Jets have had since Curtis Martin retired. 2 4th round picks. Now if the draft would just start working for the Jets we'd go some place. If we could find a QB we'd go some place. We really do need a total overhaul in the scouting department. The draft is dragging this team down into the mud.
They've been overhauling the scouting dept for two years. I documented it in threads. If Idzik gets another year, there better be dramatic results in the early rounds.
They haven't been overhauling the scouting department. They've been hiring some new scouts. They need to overhaul the entire structure from the top down. The Jets haven't gotten enough talent out of the college draft since 2007 and really they didn't get enough before that. They need to change the way they evaluate college talent because as an organization they just don't get it right now and they haven't for a long time now. The Jets drafted 12 players this year and after the first three picks almost everybody was a flat pick with a likely mediocre ceiling. I still don't know what I think about the McDougle pick. Yeah, he probably was a 3rd or 4th round pick going into the 2013 college season but missing a season means something. You don't have the same value at that point and taking him in the 3rd round was very iffy. Given that he came up injured the iffy is looking kind of bad, even though I think the injury was random. You make your own luck, good and bad.
It just show how retarded the fans base is? they both need to go. It is not just the draft, poor as it was it is the lack of planning, poor signings, lack of depth shall I contnue. They both need to go
