Michael Kay heard "Idzik and Rex fired Monday"

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  1. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    Aside from the fact that Howard and Slauson got multi year deals elsewhere, I guess offensive line continuity figures into that posters head as well as it does Idziks.
     
  2. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    I would have re-signed Slauson but it's really not a big deal. And the OL hasn't been horrible this year. If anything the older guys like Brick are showing their wear and tear. Whoever is the GM next year: it should be a major priority,.
     
  3. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

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    If you fire John Idzik at this point you're firing a GM who didn't get to pick his coach and didn't get to pick his personnel department, basically didn't get to pick anybody to form the organization he hoped to lead. That's just wrong. The Jets hired Marty Mornhinweg a week before they hired John Idzik. Idzik got to bring another voice in in the form of Rod Graves well after the fact but he was basically brought in to play with existing organizational assets.

    I was on-board with keeping Rex because I thought Rex had been undermined by the talent evaluation team and by a general strategy of playing for today and damn tomorrow. I was on-board with letting Rex hire his coaches because that's what you're supposed to do in a coherent organization.

    Idzik should have been allowed to clean house elsewhere on the football side of the organization. Obviously he wasn't brought in under those terms. Firing him now because the talent evaluation team fell down on the job again and we've had two so-so drafts in 2013 and 2014 and the overall talent decline has continued as a result of that seems not only unfair but also unwise.

    Caving to public pressure when the root of the problem is not what the public is obsessing on is not going to help the Jets in the long-term. None of the CB's that were on the market were going to make a real difference for the Jets this year and that includes Darrelle Revis. The QB and the offense is the biggest area of dysfunction at this point and has been for 5 years now.

    Unfortunately that probably means that Rex has to go because the Jets need to get somebody in here who understands how to build an offense. They need to get a good defensive coordinator to pick up the pieces, and there are some good pieces on the defensive side and compliment the advances the Jets make on offense.
     
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  4. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    Really Revis wouldn't have made a diffrence?thats just not true plain and simple.Two solid corners with our front 7 would have led to a lot of turnovers every week.There's a reason we don't get turnovers .Guys are always wide open regardless of how much pressure we send at the QB if guys are wide open then none of it matters.We don't have a cb on the roster who is capable of making a play on the ball or shutting down a num 1 wr all game.Revis would have been a diffrence maker with the front 7 we currently have .This is the same bullshit I heard during free agency now we are 1-8 and have given up more 90+yard drives then any team in the league,this way of thinking has gotten us no where,every time our offense does manage to score the other team just marches down the field and scores again .Saying Revis wouldn't have made a real diffrence is stupidity at its best
     
  5. Hobbes3259

    Hobbes3259 Well-Known Member

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    One good corner would have made the difference. You could have taken away the right side, and cheated the safety on the back side.
     
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  6. Big Blocker

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    You have to understand Brad has been on record saying the Cb position is not that important. Heh. The lack of talent at Cb this year has, along with Smith's "contributions", been the major reason for the 1-8 record, as you indicate. But don't expect that factual consideration to lead Brad to change his position on Cb's.

    It's kind of like how all those deficit hawks predicted runaway inflation when the Federal Reserve lowered interest rates and pursued the quantitative easing policy. Have any of them come out and admitted they were wrong, when the inflation rate in fact has been BELOW the Fed's target rate of 2%?

    Of course not.

    Same thing here with Brad.
     
  7. BrowningNagle

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    24 Passing Touchdowns against and 1 Interception through 9 Weeks.

    Of Course Revis (or any decent CB FA signing) would've made a big difference for this team. Bradway's assessment is way off. This defense is just as bad as the offense because the secondary is the worst in the league by far.
     
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    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

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    Again all about perspective. You want to take that position go ahead. But the guy has been around the league and knew what he was getting into. Those who lack confidence and resolve don't take those challenging positions. He could have stayed in seattle for another 6 years if he was looking for a paycheck.
     
  9. nevbeats319

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    slausen was pretty bad here...dont remember anyone complaining when he left...but yea he turned out to be pretty good for the bears
     
  10. pclfan

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    I was reading Newsday today and on just one page it had articles on both Giants Cbs being injured and Prince being placed on IR. And Jimmy Smith of the Ravens out for the season. Basically you have to adjust your scheme to injuries of your key players. But the gaps in coverage are beyond just one cover corner. And success by opponents on 3rd and long has been going on for a long time not just this season. We saw a lot of it last year. Just look at NFL transaction lists. A lot of cornerbacks being signed off of practice squads, etc. To say that not signing one cover corner is the reason for our shitty defense (when there were only a few good ones available on the open free agent market) is ludicrous.
     
  11. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    Slauson was fine. letting him go was obviously a mistake.
     
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    As I recall it was a money issue. The Jets probably didn't want to pay Slauson veteran money. I think he was coming off of his initial rookie contract. Sometimes those kinds of moves can bite you in the ass. You try to go cheaper and you end up going short. Tanny was famous for doing it esp on the OL. You can sometimes be too slick.
     
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    I really don't recall too many people being up in arms over Matt Slauson walking. He was the definition of JAG but I guess hindsight is fun.
     
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    Would Revis have made this team better?...no doubt. Would it have solved the real problem and make us a contender?....hell no. Solving the CB position was important, but not addressing the real problem first was paramount to our demise. We have a putrid offense, zero QB talent, we are unable to sustain drives, we are unable to manage the clock, we are unable to score points, and unable to avoid crucial mistakes and turn overs.
    Revis would have made a difference by getting us off the field in D a lot sooner, but there is no way you win in this league without a high caliber QB and a solid scoring offense and we are not even close.
     
  15. Walt White

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    They didn't let him walk...Slauson ran to get away from them, as fast as he could. He was an example of the cutthroat tactics of Tanny & Woody, and there was no chance he was staying even if they matched the Bears.

    He had a slow start his first year, but turned into a solid NFL starting Guard, that is turning into a nice career. He was also a solid dude.

    But, I'm happy Woody got his monies worth out of Vlad Fuckin DuCasse.
     
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  16. Rockinz

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    The thing is Rex is working with the worst secondary in football and we have faced some of the best QB/WR combos in the league this year. He's not a magician...

    Idzik didn't use our cap space well enough for him to succeed... It seemed he didn't have a contingency plan for injuries at corner and Rex was forced to use guys off the street and convert a safety into a makeshift corner.
     
  17. NJBeliever

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    So we should keep Idzik but not signing Revis is no big deal because he's not a "difference maker."


    Wow.
     
  18. NJBeliever

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    Rex and Idzik have been equally HORRIBLE. This is the worst-coached team in the league.
     
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    Throw 'em all into the Volcano with the virgins......... but may as well wait until the end of the season. Dont really see what will help doing it now. It's not like there a good in-house candidates.
     
  20. pclfan

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    All teams are using guys off the street. Idzik tried to sign Davis and DRC but they chose other locations. Patterson wasn't a bad signing because he was one of the better Cbs available. Too bad the guy turned out to be a dipshit. And again two of our top three draft picks this year were Dbs. And last year our no. 1 selection a cornerback. These D problems aren't a one trick pony. You can blame it all on one corner position but it goes much deeper than that. For one our supposedly great DL isn't playing that great. Plus we're getting out coached every week. And that's an exact quote coming from our head coach.
     

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