Don't let anyone tell you that corporations and businesses create jobs.

I consider myself a moderate-liberal and I so agree with you on Carson - I would vote for him no matter his party affiliation. Carson is an extremely smart, impressive man. Guys like him should be running this country but unfortunately they don't and won't. The system would ruin a guy like Carson.

This exists at all levels of our government - look at your local small government and think about the people in your community. You can probably easily think of people in your community that would be much better, smarter local government leaders than the yahoos that got elected. This is just at the small scale. Now think of this carrying over to the rest of society and to the top of the country.

 

If you stop at Hillary's first cringe worthy statement like you did in titling this thread, yes thats a stupid premise. Corporations and Businesses absolutely create jobs... But her point was about trickle-down economic plans not about that distracting statement. And I couldn't agree with her more about that.

The problem with many of the trickle-down economic plans we've seen (Reagan, Bush) is they aren't trickling down and they aren't even about trickling down they are about giving the top what they want and assuming there will be a trickle down....
You can't just give these corporations anything they want and expect a trickle-down effect. I think Hillary's statement should've been "don't let anyone tell you that corporation growth equals job growth..." that's possibly what she meant and that's a statement that is true.

Tax breaks for corporations alone aren't going to spur job growth at home no matter how beneficial it is to corporations. You have to put yourself in their shoes. They are a business, not a charity, or even someone you can expect a favor in return from. Corporations will gladly take your bailouts and tax breaks and return the favor with outsourcing of jobs and trend towards temporary workers. You need to couple these tax breaks with penalties for outsourcing, stipulations, and even raising of the minimum wage in conjunction with them. It's a "middle-out" effect - not "trickle-down".

 

raising minimum wage alone doesn't. Just like lowering taxes for the corporation doesn't as well. You have to provide stipulations with the breaks for the corporations. you can't let them run wild with benefits like they did under Bush and Reagan.. creating the massive gap in the income brackets we see now and the damaging of the middle class.

 

What needs to be done is raise the import duties on goods coming from countries which pay their workers significantly less than here. If companies want to close a plant here and open one in Mexico so they can pay their workers $2 an hour then raise the import duty to 40% or what ever it takes to put companies that still manufacture here on an even playing field. Goods from China, jack it up to 50-100%, what ever it takes.
Once that is done, then you can start raising wages because there will be jobs to support the wages. That would be wages for skilled labor though, flipping burgers is still a job for kids and should be paying as such. There is no need to be paying $15 an hour to someone who is cooking fries at McDonalds.

 

There have already been some products like solar panels that had high tariffs imposed to help U.S. manufacturers. Implemented over time, giving firms an opportunity to move manufacturing back to the U.S. should be able to keep inflation in check with the increased domestic production. I am also not an economist so I could be off on this.
This wouldn't be raising everything to 30% by next year, it should be a stepped increase spread out over the course of maybe ten years. There are enough factories sitting empty that would just need to be set up. Not that it matters anyway since there is almost no chance of it happening.
Every year more and more manufacturing is moving elsewhere and killing the economy so I would be willing to take the chance on some inflation.

 

Yeah.. How dare they fly the American Flag and at the same time Buttfuck loyal employees for the sake of the bottom line. If you don't give a shit about the American Worker, you applaud moves like this. When no one can afford anything and America becomes a plutocracy, I'm sure that will make your day complete.

 

How about creating a special tariff for American Businesses that offshore jobs but send those products back to the US for sale. At least you could raise funds for retraining AMERICANS to work in future fields instead of trash heaping them. If this is Class Warfare, the American Working Class is losing badly.

 

The working class has been losing badly for the last 30 years...

The sad part is that many in the working class vote for policies that hurt them.

You get what you deserve I say.

 

It's not a workable governmental system. If it was we wouldn't be 20+ trillion dollars in debt and borrowing more each day to buy the groceries while the roof of the house leaks in the form of infrastructure deficits and nobody has the will to raise the money to fix those.

You can't have a governmental system in which the default is no to any issue that the leadership decides to raise. That's where we are now and it's where we will be for the forseeable future because even if a Conservative government takes control the odds are very low they'll be able to power their reforms through.

Prime Minister leading the majority and being deposed when they lose the majority is a much better form of government. They do lose votes and they tend to lose them on controversial issues that cause great disquiet in the populace. Then if they lose a few of those they wind up with a motion to call early elections on the table and they tend to lose that as well.

You can still have a President in that situation but their job isn't to lead it's to preside over and maintain a watchful eye on the processes to make sure nobody is outright cheating.

The American governmental system has been weakened greatly by the needs of empire. It wasn't designed to allow America to rule the world. It was designed to allow a tightly bound collection of semi-independent states to live together and defend themselves from outside influences. We've flipped that. Now we're the outside influence.

 

not much has changed in 20 years haha