we will get enough money.. its a non issue… if that happened we were going to donate it to a charity in the name of FireJohnIdzik - but we are already at $7585 and the final $1000 has already been pledged by a local business whose owner is a huge Jets fan and PSL holder.. so we are only $1415 away…
Again you forget about the second half of fixing the receiver issue he could have signed someone like austin or tate or sanders. And he did not so he traded for a reveier and used that cap space anways 8 games into the season in a reactionary move. He could have saved money signing a second tier guy until he found that#1. It helps a young qb and we do not need to se a David nelson and Salas starting. It also changes how you draft because now instead of wasting draft picks on receivers he could have picked up linemen/linebackers corners. I agree you cant fix everything in one yr but you should be able to address the issue but NESLON and SALAS should never start with a young qb ho needs all the help in the world. Defend his picks because he has made 4 out 20 about. I'll name them for you Amaro, Milner , Richardson, Oday. Free Agency/trades Ivory, Decker and the right tackle. there you go that is his body of work till date now include 7 picks that have been cut, 2 picks injured, that is 7 out of the 20 wasted and 2 that are not helping the team now. Jury defiantly remains out on our Free safety until they get cb help he will be at a disadvantage never mind screwing Allen a young safety playing him at corner. So where do you get the faith this man will get anything straight. Outside of Richardson he has not drafted a star, you can Amaro is a product of that but be logical the reason his production is high is because the receivers suck. he has not even drafted any everyday players so far. Pyroir and Oday are still young He has done nothing to deserve that faith to rebuild anything and I think having him run the draft next yr will be another disaster because he will now be forced to pick a qb early and that is bad rather then picking an impact player we will de taking another boom or bust project. What is even worse only the Jags have more money under the cap another 1 win team anyone with some knowledge of the sport knew this was a perfect crap storm waiting to hit and guess what it did. What I judge on gm on is the team he assembles and the wholes in the roster and how he addressed them. look at last yrs wholes and this yrs they are the same but this years are even more glaring and worse then last years going into the season. Sorry but he sucks and needs to be shown the door. I don't mean to sound heartless and while I agree a billboard may be taking it to far because he has a family. But it is public Job if he did not want that he should have stuck to banking or another un-public Job. You can't go wasting draft picks trying to fix issues then sit on 21 million dollars when you could have tried to fix one area and instead trade a pick for a player that eats up the 21 million dollars you fought to save. I like the harvin deal but it would have been better with another receiver here and we signed him as a fa for less. he just does not appear to plan correctly while you could argue his plan is going how he wants it. I can argue either he is a in-compitent buffoon or purposely sabotaged the season. either is grounds for termination in my book
You originally had $20,000 on there, how come you had it $10,000 higher than what you are saying is actually needed?
It's not so much non hit and miss. Anyone drafted anywhere can be a bust. But this was a draft class that had a lot of talent at this position. The Jets should have, IMO, been looking to acquire a top level receiver. Guys like Kelvin Benjamin, Brandin Cooks, Davante Adams, and Jordan Matthews were available when they were up. Bills made an aggressive move to go up and get a stud like Watkins who everyone said was a can't miss prospect. I understand you can't predict trades and you don't know what conversations Idzik was having with other teams and what not but this was a draft where the Jets should have been all over trying to acquire some of these guys. If you can't trade up for a guy like Watkins, Beckham, or Evans fine. But what's wrong with a some of the other guys? And i'm not just talking about taking them with the 18th pick, could have took one in the second instead, or the third, trade back in, wherever. You have a young QB who your hoping is your future in a passing league. Get him some weapons. Go skill position in the first two rounds if you need to. Once again, i'm not saying Pryor is a slouch, but i'm annoyed the Jets waited so long to address a position of dire need. Idzik seems to really take the safer route which is fine as long as it works. So far, and it's early but, it hasn't worked. The Jets are 1-7 in year 2 with no QB and a HC with one foot out the door. That could not have been his plan going into this year. He overrated his talent. Nobody plans to be 1-7 and look as bad as the Jets have looked. It's not arguing against my point just because it was a deep draft class. If the Jets had good talent at that position then it would be. They could have afforded to sit back and take some guys in the later rounds like they did. But the Jets had such little talent at that position to begin with. They had Decker who they just signed, an average player in Kerley, and then a bunch of scrubs. A team set at WR can afford to wait, a team like the Jets should have been looking to get the best possible one they could get. The Jets settled for Jalen Saunders, and he's currently playing for the Cardinals. They should have either addressed the situation more appropriately in FA or the draft. They did neither and eventually Idzik traded for Harvin because he probably looked around at his talent and knew it wasn't good enough. Why wasn't it an important move for this franchise? Is the plan to be competitive or non competitive? The Jets corners look non competitive out there. Cromartie either improves the situation or hurts it. In this case, he improves it. It's Idzik's job to be able to evaluate whose the best fit, whose the better player. You can't tell me Cromartie wouldn't have been a good add to what we ended up with and or just a better addition then Patterson if they only had to pick one. Once again, Cromartie signed on for 1 year with Arizona, he could have been the Jets stop gap your talking about. Assuming Cromartie would complain if he had to lose playing time to a 3rd rounder in McDougle who would have had to have been playing pretty well to warrant getting a start is speculation more then anything else. It took Milliner, a guy who was drafted 9th overall the year prior until the final month of the season to finally start looking like a player. McDougle was a third round pick. Expectations for him should have been to slowly grow with the defense and maybe, one day, be a guy who could start. Whose fault is the bolds? It's not just Rex's. Winters and Aboushi have not proven that they are starting caliber players yet. Neither has Bohannon. I don't care what it deprives Idzik of if I don't think he's the right guy for the job. And i'm not saying he isn't the right guy, but not to question the decisions that have been made when the team is currently 9 and 15 on his watch while in the midst of a 7 game losing streak where they have looked god awful and the talent on the team has become really exposed is a little silly IMO.
We planned this thing in the middle of the night and did not want to come up short - so we initially set a high goal. After getting all of our costs in order over the next day or so we realized it would not be as expensive as we thought so we lowered the goal to be in line with actual costs.
Again, I am not sure what you mean, but the fact that it was a deep draft for WRs supports Idzik's position of drafting WRs later on. Think about it, if you go to a store, and there is a ton of meat there, but very little cheese, which are you going to get first? Second, and more importantly, no halfway decent team goes into the draft and tries to address pure needs in the early rounds. Pretty much everyone tries to draft BPA (best player available) slightly weighted by need, and perhaps with the exception of the QB position, just because it's so important. That's because no one wants to miss on a true blue chipper and a major impact player just to plug in a hole, unless you are already a championship caliber team and plugging in that hole puts you over the top, and even then its debatable. Idzik correctly drafted the players in early rounds who the Jets FO and CS felt like were the best players available. Think about Richardson, if we drafted by need, we would have never gotten him, because we were already loaded at the D-Line, but then we would have missed a real stud. Also, Idzik did try to move up in the 2nd round to get Lee, but that didn't work out. Like I said, this isn't Madden NFL, and sometimes you can just get people you want. Fortunately, that worked out just fine for us. It wasn't important because the franchise's real goal is to build a championship contender, not a competitive team this year which isn't really going anywhere other than competing for a wild card spot maybe. Cromartie, due to his age, is not a part of that contender future in any way, so he isn't important in the big picture. The reason Cromartie wasnt a good fit for us was one, the Jets couldn't be sure he wouldn't suck this year just like he did last year, because of advancing age, and two, he didn't fit in with them trying to establish or at least try out Milliner and McDougle as the future starting CBs. Cromartie, by all accounts, was a really bad influence in terms of practice, listening to coaches, being very combative, and so on. You don't want that kind of player around your young guys, on top of which, I am sure he wouldn't have been happy with diminished playing time if McDougle played well. It's nobody fault. They gave Geno a try, and he didn't work out. Time to get someone else in there, but contrary to what impatient fans believe here, not everything in life has to be somebody's fault, just so people can whine about it. And if you guys get to judge his drafts less than a year in, I don't see why we can't say that Aboushi and Bohannon are already starter level players, since they are currently starters (Bohannon until he got injured). I know PFF supposedly knocked Bohannon's run blocking, but I've watched every game with him, and never seen any problems with it. The guy has looked good in the eye test. Well, you are certainly entitled to your opinion, but to me, it seems like you didn't pay attention to the team's situation when Idzik came in in 2013. He came to a really bad team that was actually playing better than its talent level. All we had with the exception of Wilkerson were several good players past their prime (Revis, Cromartie, Mangold, Ferguson) and then a bunch of older and/or less talented role players, most of whom wouldn't be starting for other teams. Aside from being in a bad place talent-wise, the team was also in salary cap hell, with lots of money tied up in the likes of Sanchez, Harris, Holmes, aging Ferguson. Everyone understood that Idzik was brought in to rebuild the franchise, but apparently lots of fans thought this is the kind of thing you can do in one year. Well, welcome to reality folks.
You should really read some of my previous posts in this thread, cause I already addressed these issues. Just to reiterate some stuff: The NFL is not the same as Madden NFL. A GM cannot just go out and sign everyone he wants, because there are 31 other teams competing with him. If you assume there were several (say 4-5) top notch WRs available this offseason, with a bunch of other teams competing for their services, as well as the WRs themselves having personal preferences of where they want to go, then Idzik has done well getting us the best WR available in Decker. To expect him to get 2 of them might be asking for too much. The 4 out of 20 picks thing doesn't mean anything. Aside from it being too early to really evaluate them, go check out how other teams draft. Do you think they all land 3 studs a year or something? Later round picks (essentially anything after round 2) are especially notorious for being similar to finding a needle in a haystack. You also completely misunderstand the Harvin deal, how it was anything but a desperation move, but instead a great steal for us which even the media admits. You say stuff like "oh we could ve just signed him for less in free agency" not realizing that we would be competing with everyone else then for his services, meaning theres a good chance we dont get him, and if we do, we have to give him a player friendly contract, whereas now, we have him on a team friendly contract with no guaranteed money past this year.
If I were Jets management and saw that fans spent $20k on a billboard that says fire John Idzik, I would think that the prices can be raised on the already overpriced crap that they sell at the stadium (ie $150 jerseys, $35 caps, $65 hoodies, $135 Wayne Hunter jerseys, $25 identity concealing lunch bags, $70 Casio Jets Dick Curl edition digital watches, $24 Jets toilet paper rolls, $35 Jets vomit bags, etc) and raise the beer prices another $2.50. Still think it's a good idea?
Everything with the Jets is already overpriced,,,maybe the next bill board should say " the New York Jets raised their prices again so instead of wasting our money on a P S L or over priced tickets we spent our money more wisely on this bill board "
I don't piss away money for a stupid billboard that will never work to support Idzik. Give me a break. This justification might be worse than the idea itself.
It was deep but there's obviously a huge difference between the #1 ranked receiver, the #5 ranked receiver, and the #15th ranked receiver is my point. The Jets chose the lesser players later on. I understand its not madden thats why I don't predict trades or anything like that. But my point is I wanted a receiver earlier then they took one, thats all i'm saying. Your totally right about BPA, that's how you draft, not by need, i'm not saying your wrong. Pryor's development will be the true test on whether or not Idzik did the right thing. If Pryor is a really good player, good move. But this is a message board and we're just talking about things we would have done. I'd have drafted either Benjamin or Cooks before Pryor at the time because I thought they were better prospects. That's just my opinion, could be totally wrong. Your putting a lot of faith in a 3rd round pick who missed his senior year of college football coming in and solidifying the other spot opposite Milliner. Why does Cromartie make no sense but Patterson does? Same type of player in regards to status with the team (veteran, 1 year rental). Cromartie could have struggled, your right, so the Jets could have cut him like they ended up doing with Patterson. GM's have to answer for bad draft picks early in a draft at such an important position. Otherwise, what do they get judged on? You and me can sit back and say "I still like the value in that pick, he was the best rated QB coming out of college and we got him in the second round with our third pick". But that doesn't mean, big picture, it's ok to miss on a second round pick as badly as he did. End of the day Geno still stinks and isn't going to be here long term. Idzik should take a hit for that. I really did like the value in that pick, but it still didn't workout. Aboushi hasn't even played half an NFL season yet. It's way to early to judge that guy. I like PFF because I just think it helps you judge a lot of the players that its hard to focus on in person, or on TV when a play is developing. I don't think its the be all end all on judging a player though. If you think Bohannon is good, i'm not going to argue that. We just have a different opinion on him. Idzik took over a horrible situation. Everyone knows that. But the team wasn't as awful then as it is now. Once again, they are 1-7. That's not something Idzik expected to be in year 2. I would bet on that. They're definitely in a better place cap wise but the record is still what it is. It shows the Jets don't have a lot of talent. So that cap room which is extremely important did come at a price. To question whether or not Idzik is the right man to now spend that money isn't wrong. Everything can't be fine at 1-7, something has to be wrong. They either overrated their talent or something cause they didn't assemble this team with the idea of winning 5 or less games. He traded Revis for a first and drafted an All Pro caliber player, the other guy he drafted in the first so far hasn't worked out. Neither did his next pick in the second, neither did his next pick in the third. 3 out of his first 4 picks, so far, haven't worked out. I'm not making that up. That is reality. And now we are going to let this guy, most likely, make a really important decision for this franchise when he makes his selection at QB which is inevitably coming. All i'm doing is being fair and looking at past decisions this guy has made and questioning the ones that need questioning. I've given him credit when he's made the right move. He signed a vet in Garrard who retired on him cause his knee couldn't hold up and then signed a guy in Goodson who promptly did something really stupid. Both players had no impact on the Jets because of these things. Chris Johnson has looks done, Willie Colon looks done. They brought Pace back again and he looks done. Patterson ended up being a bad signing. I know these were not big time moves that set franchises back but bad players are bad players. Babin, Decker, and Landry have all worked out fine and Barnes got hurt so you can't judge him. The Ivory trade was a great move by him.
That fine but just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it stupid. It may work or it may not work but the way I see it you won't know unless you try. The worse that comes out of it doesn't work so instead of buying Jets gear I put it towards that. Either way I'm throwing money out the window. Lol
Do you know where the Billboard is gonna be?and can you get it near Florham Park?maybe outside of Idziks office window or something?lol
Considering how long the ineptitude of this franchise has been, it's obvious Idzik walked into shit. This organization has been shit for over 40 fucking years. It's going to take a lot more than 2 years to fix this mess. Do you guys have any idea how tough this job is? Please stop listening to the NY media. They don't know shit except to suck a dick from somebody who has already won chips someplace else. It's going to take a GM and a coach who has no problem in telling the media to go fuck themselves. They don't know shit and they need to be treated as such. A dumb fuck should never be responded to.
I commend U for what U R doing. Back in the 80s I passed out flyers at gate A imploring NYJ fans to boycott Hess gas but I do not think many NYJ fans took my advice nor did Hess sell the team so I certainly hope your effort has far more success then mine did. Also there were NYJ fans who rented a plane also in the 80s to tow a banner behind it which read "if Joe Walton brain was in a bird the bird would fly backward" but that to also did not seem to effect Hess one bit. Maybe Woody may get the message if U started a Woody Please Sell The Team Site. That may finally embrassed him into hiring qualified personnel to operate the team
I dont the media I have eys and can see what he did and did not do. he drafted rather poorly and had money left over to spend to help fix just one area and he did not. If he fixed the receivers this yr or the corner backs or the offensive line but he did crap as amatter of fact you can argue because of his ineptitude we lost ground and got worse. that is not doing you job
