No chance for Miami....and as long as the Jets beef up and get a CB or two I'd love to see Sanchez in Buffalo....pick 6, pick 6, pick 6...yum.
The only time Sanchez was ever more than basically a .500 QB was the one year he held his turnovers down....1 year out of 4. The Less Sanchez did the more likely the Jets were to win, the more Sanchez did the less likely they were to win. #2 in turnovers over the 4 years he played or the Jets, put him in Buffalo, I look forward to the Turnovers.
It is true, his rookie season the team was a very fortunate 1 game over .500, the team was 11-5 for him the next season, 8-8 the next season and 3 games under .500 his 4th season (where he got benched). That's one season that's over the .500 mark +/- 1 game. That is the earmark of an essntially .500 qb. It's also true that the only season they were greater than a .500 (+/- 1 game) team is the only season he turned the ball over under 20 times.
that would be 2 seasons over .500 and only 1 losing season. In 4 seasons he had 2 playoff apps and 4 playoff wins(best in team history).
You need reading lessons son, 1 game within .500 is still essentially a .500 season...which was my statement, Sanchez is essentially at best a .500 QB IF he keeps his turnovers under 20 and IF he's backed by a top of the line defense and a solid running game. All true statements, his only two winning seasons were with a top 5 defense both years and a top 5 or so running attack. I knew you'd bring up the playoffs, so yes, he's a .500 QB in terms of making the playoffs...and who cares how many playoff wins he has. It's irrelevant. the only point of the regular season is to win enough games to get to in to the playoffs. The only point of being in the playoffs is to get in to the Superbowl. IF you're basically a .500 QB over your career you will have at best playoffs in 50% of your seasons..at best. If you don't get to the playoffs the seasons a failure. IF you get in to the playoffs and if you don't get in to the Superbowl who cares what if your lifetime playoff percentage is 66%..if you always lose in the championship game you failed, you choked, you didn't get your team over the hump to the goal. I don't care if your 66 and 22 in the playoffs, if you never get to the Superbowl who gives a crap? You're just a choke job in the big game. Now, you'll argue next that the defense lost the two championship games...and to a degree I'll agree, but only to a degree...but if Sanchez were a truly Franchise QB he would have pulled the team up and carried them through. The Defense had carried weak sanchez performances in 3 of the 4 playoff wins...in neither of the losses could Sanchez step up to cover for a defense that wasn't in peak form, but still wasn't horrible. VS the Colts the Defense did give up 30 points to Manning, one of the greatest QB's of all time...The Jets lost that game 30-17. in the closing minutes of the first half the Jets defense forced a Peyton manning fumble on the 28, the Great Sanchez could only lose 1 yard and have to settle for a field goal. Instead of putting the dagger in the Colts heart he left lots of time on the clock and you give Manning chances he WILL come through eventually..he did. Granted the Jets defense gave up 2 TD's and aFG in the 2nd half, manning's going to score...and the Jets offense did the defense no favors. 39 yard drive missed FG, 6 Plays, punt, 9 plays punt, 3 plays punt, Interception, end of game. the only drive of note the jets had was in the closing minutes with the game out of reach and the Colts defense playing soft coverage.... In short, Sanchez couldn't do what good QB's do, pick up their defense when the defense isn't in top form. Zero points in the 2nd half by the "You can win with Sanchez, he's a winner". Against Pittsburgh the Defense gave up a whopping 24 points...the great sanchez led the team to 19 points...in short in two AFC Championship games the Great "You can win with" Sanchez couldn't eclipse 20 points in either game. But in your book it's all the defenses fault..they didn't shut out the Colts of Pittsburgh. Back To Pittsburgh The Jets did give up 24 points in the first half. The shut out Pittsburgh in the second half....the great "you can win with Sanchez, he's a winner" "led" the team to 3 first half points. 7 plays punt 3 plays punt 3 plays punt 3 plays fumble by Sanchez. 7 plays fg... 2nd half doesn't get better. The Steelers come out playing a soft defense and blow a coverage on a half opening 5 play TD to holmes. Next drive, 3 plays punt Next drive 4 plays out on downs. Next drive TD end of game. Yes you'll complain that it's the defenses fault that they couldn't get the ball back to the offense again in the last 3 minutes because "you can win with Sanchez" would have led the team to yet another TD....something he'd only been able to do with the steelers playing a soft defense..but never mind...never mind that the Jets offense had the ball for a little over 17 minutes of the 2nd half....but it's the defenses fault that "The you can win with Sanchez" offense was so inept that it couldnt' do shit with the ball except when Pittsburgh was playing soft. In short the Great "you can win with Sanchez" led the Jets to a combined 26 points in 2 AFC championship games. But like I said, who cares what your record is in the post season, you didn't win the game needed to come up big and lead your team to the superbowl.....he's not a QB you can win with. and your right, it's unfair to compare him to Dilfer. Dilfer got to a Superbowl and won. Sanchez....well he's a 4-2 that the only people it matters to are the losers trying to console themselves by saying "we're winners in the post season"....you failed. Sanchez isn't a franchise QB, he doesn't elevate the level of play of those around him. He doesn't lift the team to new levels... He's a .500 QB who when it mattered showed he wasn't the man.
Oh man, if Romo is done I would love to see Sanchez go there. Obviously zero chance this goes down, but hand Sanchez that run game and those receivers, he would be superb.
Oh and Junc, since I know your next argument is to say Sanchez led the Jets to back to back playoffs so did Richard Todd, Like Sanchez he failed to get the Jets to the Superbowl (once losing in the AFC championship). So did Namath...and he won a Superbowl.
1 game w/in .500 but over .500, right? one losing season, correct? playoff wins are irrelevant, we want fantasy #s! 3 of 4 years he had a great chance to make the playoffs. In our entire history w/o him we have had a great chance to make the playoffs 17 times out of 50. Is 75% better than 34%? Can you get to a SB w/o first making the playoffs? can you get to one w/o winning div rd games? yes, he would have carried them through like Peyton, Rivers, Romo, etc... Manning is one of the great choking QBs of all time. That same QB 2 weeks later led his O to 17 pts and threw a pick 6, the week before our game led his O to 20 pts but we allowed 30. The entire team struggled in the first half at Pitt but the D set the tome w/ a near 10 min TD drive to open the game, the O had a nice drive to keep the D off the field to settle them down but the D was still pushed around. The bottom line on that Pitt game, the O got it to w/in a one possession game- the closest we had been to a SB since SB III and the D couldn't get a stop to give the O a chance. The rest of the long winded post means nothing, not giving your O a chance late means everything. I don't know if Mark would have led us to the GW TD but it sure would have been fun to find out, w/ no run game against a top D on the road he brought us back w/in 5 but he sucks. I never say Mark led us, I say Mark helped get us there. we were a D first team but w/o quality QB play we don't make it and to compare him to Richard Todd is silly. In 6 postseason games(all on the road) Mark threw a total of 3 INTs while Todd had postseason games w/ 4 and 5 INTs. In Todd's AFC Championship he threw one TD- to the other team! and led his O to ZERO points. Just like Mark, right? Namath made a SB where he needed one game to win at HOME where they didn't earn homefield advantage. Give Mark that advantage and we see SBs.
First of all that's an assumption and one that sadly contains a tinge of resentment. Imagine that, begrudging a Jet QB who led his team to the first ever SB in this city (against improbable odds) and in doing so put the Jets (and the AFL) on the map along with making Rozelle & the NFL establishment eat a heaping helping of crow. What other team has had a divisional rival's fans (Buffalo Bills) give them a standing ovation? The New York Jets, that's who. But our fans? Why decades later, with that stinkin', solitary SB trophy sitting all by its lonesome in the team's trophy case, some of our fans continue to begrudge the team's MVP during the greatest hour of the team's 54-year history and by marginalizing the team's "soft road" accomplishment for good measure. You are right junc. You are right about Jet fans, i.e. some of them. I will give you that.
See there you go again, back tracking, making excuses. But you did make my point when you admitted that Sanchez didn't lead the Jets to the playoffs or to wins....that's what good QB's do, they lead. Goodnight.
where am I making excuses? just b/c you have no argument doesn't mean I am making excuses. You are the one actually making them trying to act like Mark sucked for 4 years. Mark helped us get to 2 postseasons and 2 title games, w/o him we don't make it. He didn't carry us like a Brady but those guys are rare. w/ a similar roster and a HOFer the year before we couldn't even make the playoffs w/ a weaker sched and weaker division. That is reality. we "made" the 1968 AFL Title game by winning a weak division. the 2 best reg season teams in the AFL then had to play a playoff game w/ the winner travelling to NY despite having better records in a tougher div than NY. Oak beat KC and not only did Oak have a better record than us but they BEAT us yet had to come here for the title game. I don't begrudge anything, I appreciate what Joe and the 1968 team did but I can also look at things honestly and realistically. who cares if Bills fans or any other fans gave us a standing O? what does that have to do w/ anything? you are rambling b/c you are out of excuses.
Out of excuses? Out of whaat? What the hell are you even talking about? "Rambling b/c you're out of ... " ....what? LMAO!.. This makes about as much sense as a UNC jock proudly hanging his diploma up on a wall. smh
1 win or loss within .500 is essentially .500, statistical noise. You cherry pick my words because I said "essentially .500" Whose been providing fantasy numbers late dude, Just the numbers that count. Turnovers. That 3 out of 4 years he had a great chance to make the playoffs comment is precious, fantasy speculation coming from someone who complains about fantasy stats. You're question about being able to make the playoffs, exactly the point I've been making all along (you're shifting your emphasis), 20+ turnovers a season combined with low produciton will not get you to the playoffs very often unless you have a top 5 defense and a top 5 running game and a little luck. that's been exactly my argument, thank you for conceeding. Can you get to the Superbowl without winning division round games? No, but it's not a question of if you won a division round game, it's a question of whether you make the superbowl. Noone but hardcore fans remember who won wild card games, or divisional games and they don't remember the losers of the conference championships. the only consolation is a worse slot on the draftboard. Romo is just a more accurate throwing version of Sanchez, prone to the dumb mistakes but with more accurate arm. Peyton consistently carried his teams in to the playoffs despite often having poor defenses, aside from his rookie season every team he's led has made the playoffs save 3 times. His teams have also been in the Superbowl 3 times. And by bringing Manning, and to a lesser extent Rivers in to the argument you again make my case. high end QB's that put up numbers get their teams to the playoffs more consistently than "game managers" who are just along for the ride. You know what a "game manager" is right? it's a guy who doesn't do anything and if he doesn't turn the ball over in a season and/or the team wins is called a "game manager" if the team loses he's called what? And there you go in defense of Sanchez, mowing down Manning as a great choking QB...and here is where you lose, wins are a TEAM stat. But He had them in the playoffs almost every year, and every year is a ticket in. And there you are, blaming the defense again. IF the offense had done ANYTHING against Pittsburgh during the game when the Pittsburgh Defense wasn't playing loose I'd consider your point....but they didn't The Defense completely shut down the Steelers in the 2nd half and allowed zero points, but your complaint is that that defense couldn't get the ball back in the closing 3 minutes...never mind that the Jets offense had the ball for the majority of the 2nd half, never mind that on one of the nonscoring drives in the second half the Jets ate 8 minutes off the clock while down by 14 points. The rest of my "long winded post" meant a lot, it showed how inept the offense was during the whole pittsburgh game EXCEPT during garbage time when the Steelers defense was playing soft coverage. Pittsburgh was on the field laughing at the 8 minute drive saying "hell yeah, you can take those dunks and dinks and eat the clock, times on our side baby". I'll also remind you that the ONLY reason the Jets got the ball back to get the game within 5 points was because the JETS DEFENSE on Pittsburgh's possession before the final Jets score, got a one play safety on Big Ben after the Jets failed to score on that 8 minute drive. If the Jets defense doesn't get that safety (which was 2 points and one of the reasons the game was within 5 points). Remember, just before the Jets final scoring drive they ate 8 minutes off the clock and chocked at the goal line...the defense then turned round and sacked big Ben in the endzone on the very next play and got the inept offense the ball right back. Yet you blame the defense for the loss because in the end they couldn't get the ball back one last time in the last 3 minutes. The Defense earlier had gotten the ball to the offense on an interception of Big Ben, what did the mighty Sanchez do? 3 and out punt. Yet it's the defenses fault for not being able to get the offense the ball one more time in the last 3 minutes of the game. The fact is that Sanchez and the offense had A LOT of chances to do something, but they failed. But yet you blame the defense for that last 3 minute drive by the Steelers. Maybe if the Sanchez led offense scored a TD on that 8 minute drive and then scored a TD on their next possession (like they did) it would have been a TIE GAME...assuming of course the Steelers defense didn't play tight and aggressive again.... The Defense gave the offense every opportunity in the 2nd half...but you blame the defense for not stopping that last 3 minute drive...but ignore the 8 minute Sanchez drive that led to ZERO points.
WIthout Marks turnovers and inefficiency in 2009 the Jets likely win 1 or 2 more games during the season, take for example his 4 interception loss vs New England...a win there instead of a loss gives the Jets the AFC East championship. Or take any of his other 4 multiple interception games that resulted in losses and the Jets either tie or win the division over the 10-6 Patriots, instead of being the 9-7 wildcard. The Jets got to 9-7 by having Sanchez do nothing but hand the ball off for the last two games (And wins) of the season. Mark was turning the ball over so often he couldn't be trusted. The Jets scored 66 points in the last two games of the season, their biggest two scoring games of the season. Sanchez threw 0 interceptions those two games, he wasn't given a chance to. he threw for a combined 169 yards in those two games, combined! 0 TD's, He completed a grand total of 20 passes in those two games. In 5 of the teams 9 wins Sanchez attempted fewer than 20 passes....Any other QB who doesnt' turn the ball over with great frequency and the Jets win the division that year. All the Jets needed was someone who could take care of the damned ball and they beat out the 10 win Patriots. and I can prove this because EVERY TIME that Sanchez had fewer than 20 attempts and 0 or 1 turnover the JETS WON......the Jets record when Sanchez threw more than 25 or more passes? 2-5, they were 7-2 when Sanchez had fewer attempts and thus fewer turnovers. Sanchez most likely cost the Jets the division title in 2009....he was a rookie, it was ok. 2010 He cut down the turnovers and the Jets won 11 games...2011 Sanchez returned to being turnover Sanchez and the jets fell back to a .500 team. 2012 the defense wasn't as strong, the offensive line wasn't as strong, Sanchez continued to turn the ball over, the team fell to 6-10.
