Now, I never have been nor ever will be in favor of throwing away a season for a higher draft pick. We might not even need to throw the season away with how we played yesterday. That's not what this thread is about though. This is about Mariota needing to become a Jet. Mariota may be the last sure-fire prospect we'll see for a while. Here's a kid who combines elite athleticism with above average arm strength, deadly accuracy, and decisiveness not often seen from such a young player. The thing that really puts me on though is his football IQ and humility. He's very smart, but not very outspoken. He's exactly the kind of QB this team needs. In the shitstorm that is the NY media, a soft but well spoken kid will fit perfectly. Take Eli for example. He handles the NY media as well as any. Of course there are questions about his being a system QB. That's all bulshit. Watch just one of his games and I think you'll see that that is not the case. He's stuck in a system, but not limited. He could very well put up similar numbers in another system. I don't think we'll be bad enough to get the #1 overall pick, but it wouldn't surprise me either. I think we'll probably be somewhere in the 4-6 range. This will likely not be high enough for Mariota. The Vikings and Raiders probably won't bite, but Jacksonville, Tennessee, and Tamba Bay don't look sold on their options. I wouldn't put it past St. Louis either, though I love what I've seen from Austin Davis. We'll probably be put in a situation where we'll need to trade up to get Mariota, but in all honesty, I'd sign up right away whatever the cost. The pieces are in place for a young QB to take the reins. It's time to make a move that'll turn this franchise around.
Dont love the idea of taking Mariota at the top of round 1, and I certainly dont think trading up for him is a good idea. Maybe trade and back a bit and take him if he's still there. I can only go by what I've seen and I'm not super impressed. I'd rather get a OT or WR and take Winston in round 2.
If I am on Team Mariota heading into the draft, I would leak reports about wanting no part of being drafted by the Jets. The Titans or Rams? That's where I want to go. You can make your money anywhere when it comes to advertisements, the whole "If you can make it here, you can make it anywhere" fluff New York sells itself on doesn't apply on the NFL level. If you're a good player or a star player, they will find you. Having ASJ/Jackson/Doug Martin/Mike Evans in Tampa Bay would be a dream come true for Mariota. We can't compare with that, on paper those are some big, talented threats on offense for a QB to play around with. I can't get mad if Mariota's parents or advisers want no part of the sharks of the NY Media or the impatient fanbase that want immediate results.
I wouldn't blame the Mariota camp for doing that, but I don't think they will. To be honest, I don't think Tampa'a weapons are all that great. Doug Martin has been extremely underwhelming after that first year, Jackson probably won't be back, ASJ may turn out good (Amaro will be better I think), and Mike Evans seems like he'll bbe legit. To compare, Decker is an established pro bowl WR, Harvin is as talented as any (if he stays), Kerley is a solid #3, Amaro has the look of a top TE, and Ivory is one of the best backs in the league (when healthy). The o-line between the two is a wash IMO. Both have underperformed.
Winston is a great college QB, but idk about him. Idk what it is, but he reminds me of Russell. Mariota is the best prospect since 2012 and I'm not seeing too many greats in the coming years. We need a QB. I don't think we can bulshit around anymore with maybes.
More upside with what the Bucs are running. Martin hasn't been able to stay healthy but the same is said about Ivory. I like both the TEs heading into the draft, I like Evans though he has a lot of maturity concerns on and off the field, and the Bucs defense is more complete when you consider the secondaries then the Jets so he won't be put into a position to play catchup. Jackson and Harvin are similar enough by both being malcontents when things don't go their way but at least VJ plays the traditional WR spot and is more healthy than Harvin. He also won't have to deal with fans or the media who for every bad Mariota game will compare him to Sanchez or Smith because you know they will do that. Its why I hold nothing against Mariota and his team for making up leaks or rumors of not wanting to be apart of the Jets. It will never come from Mariota's mouth because he looks like a mature and nice enough guy and it'd hurt his stock all around to pull something like that but like we saw with Manziel's advisers/parents wanting him to get away from Houston because it'd make many distractions, I would not be surprised if Mariota doesn't want to be a Jet deep down.
Best case scenario is the Raiders get Mariota, and they somehow give us Derek Carr. I agree about Mariota and saying he doesn't want to play for the Jets, makes sense.
I'm going to really keep my eye on Connor Cook too. And they probably wouldn't need to have the first overall pick to get him
Probably not. A lot of people said Geno wouldnt either though, so I'm holding out hope. If I was a betting man, I wouldnt put money on him lasting that long though.
All bogus and silly speculation. You don't know anything about Mariota or his parents or his advisors or what he wants. He may decide he want's to become a dancer and that may have nothing to do with the Jets and the big bad New York meanines. _
Bridgewater almost did but I agree some team will be tempted to trade up into round 1. It depends on his character issues and how he interviews. His team and advisers have to hope nothing more comes out of Winston's mouth or past that can haunt him.
Where is this coming from? Because we have a whiny Jet fan contemplating that he wouldn't blame Mariota IF he pulled such a stunt? _
Of course not, its all speculation. But honestly looking in from an outsider's perspective, why would you WANT to be a Jet out of all the potential suitors? Why deal with the crap that comes along with everything? He and his team have seen two big prospects of their draft classes flounder and get lit up by the fans and media, why would he want any part of that? Why would anyone?
YOUR speculation. You have no basis to even make such a speculative argument. It's stupid to even talk about. Stop whining. _
Not denying that at all. If you cant tell, I'm definitely in the pro Winston camp. His off field concerns could cause him to fall.
The Raiders owner has said, that the next GM will build around Carr. We've got no shot at him, look for the Raiders to take Cooper or a Left Tackle.
Who says I'm Whiny? John Elway bailed on potentially becoming a Colt. Eli Manning bailed on that shit Chargers OLine and playing under Schottenheimer. Manziel had floated around not wanting to play for the Jags(Who knows how valid that is though) and his parents hoping he would not become a Texan. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...iel-would-prefer-not-to-play-in-jacksonville/ I don't hold it against Mariota if he doesn't want to be on this team is what I am getting at. I am not questioning if he wants to be a Jet or if he pulls off a diva move, he doesn't seem like the type to do it. But I also don't think everyone wants to go to this circus of a football town and go for a more down low team and city.
I've been watching him a lot because some folks here have been pretty high on him. Not so much anymore, but still. He looks like a nice prospect but if you think Mariota has bad footwork (which he doesn't) than Cook looks like a cripple. If he can figure that out he'll be good but he has awful footwork. Big arm, nice frame, definite NFL body, needs some work. _
