Geno's not the main reason we're 1-6. Sanchez nor Geno are playing in the secondary or blocking up front or trying to get separation down the field. Doesn't matter who is the QB, unless its a really good or great one, the record won't be much better if at all. This team is not that talented.
No, it's all speculation. The idea is to not have it be baseless (i.e. to actually offer opinions that are informed by some confluence of evidence and logic)
Yes and I can say if Mark played like he did in 2011, we'd have more then one win. Basically this is an opinionated argument, because there is no right or wrong answer There is no actual evidence to support your claims or mine, since we'll never know how Mark will do on this team
Exactly. I love when one poster says HIS opinion is based on evidence and logic and suggest someone else's opinion is baseless. It's ALL baseless. _
Yes, but whether speculation is baseless or not is in the eye of the beholder. So speculating on what speculation is baseless or not it is just as baseless. _
Nonsense. We are all right and wrong at various times. But, not all speculation is baseless. And not all speculation is well-informed. There is plenty of both.
So in YOUR scenario, you are the arbiter of what speculation is informed and what is not. And that is based ENTIRELY on your opinion. Which is molded by YOUR perceptions, agendas, likes and dislikes. That's sophistry. _
You can absolutely argue but in your mind--everything you believe through the lens of YOUR mind clouded by YOUR perception is the true and correct conclusion to be drawn. Your speculation is just as baseless as JetDans. _
False. I never once wrote, or even implied, anything of the sort. It's cool that you know sophistry is, though.
You said "The idea is to not have it be baseless (i.e. to actually offer opinions that are informed by some confluence of evidence and logic)" intimating that that JetDan's speculation was baseless. YOU are the arbiter of what's baseless or not. _
False, I was not (nor did I imply I was) the arbiter of whether or not JetDan's statement was baseless or speculative (or, in that case, both). The statement JetDan made was baseless (by his own admission) as was mine (by my own admission - that was the point I was trying to make). He didn't defend his statement by claiming that it wasn't baseless, his argument was that all opinions on a matter like this are baseless. And I vehemently disagree with that assertion. Some opinions are informed, others aren't. If I wrote that Peyton Manning was a better quarterback than Kyle Orton because he has had a markedly better career according to individual merits of assessment like completion percentage, touchdown/interception ratio, etc, etc, that is one thing. If I wrote that Peyton Manning was a better quarterback than Kyle Orton because the moon was full last night, that is something else entirely. If I further wrote that Geno Smith missed that team meeting because he was probably doing drugs and provided no evidence to support my bold proclamation . . . well, you get the point. My contention was with JetDan's statement that "Its all baseless speculation. This is what a forum is for, sharing your opinions." I don't buy that. Not all speculation is created equally well. Some is based primarily on relevant facts and conforming logic, some is much less so. That was my only point.
But that is incorrect, how do you come to that conclusion? even truly great Ds(which we never had) need quality QB play to win. Your case was rested a long time ago b/c you never had one.
So your speculation on Sanchez sucking is more informed than JetDan's speculation that maybe he doesn't suck. Got it. This is a Sanchez debate--not about wild accusations of drug use or any of those other strawmans--you think your opinion on the relative merits of Sanchez is MORE informed because...well...because of your OPINION of him. You're opinion of Sanchez is based on the facts YOU choose to accept to conform to the logic you want to argue--and you will dismiss any facts you deem "baseless" and that is just as baseless as anyone else's opinion because it's all molded by our own perceptions. _
Again, I never wrote, or even implied, anything of the sort. In point of fact, I explicitly pointed out that both of our statements were baseless (That was my whole point). I never wrote, or even implied, that my speculation regarding Sanchez was more informed than JetDan's. In point of fact, I explicitly wrote that they were both baseless. JetDan posted that he thought we'd be better with Sanchez this year. I posted that I thought if his 2012 version showed up, we might be worse (I pointed out in that post that both comments were "baseless speculation"). As a result of this verity, you have either entirely misunderstood or purposefully chosen to misconstrue what I actually wrote. Either way, you don't "got it." LOL None of my examples were a "strawman" for anything. They were hypothetical opinions highlighting the obvious verity that some opinions can be baseless and others can be well-informed. Once again, I never wrote, or even implied, the bolded.
So your prior perception on Sanchez sucking should just be dismissed? Your weighing in on yet another Sanchez "circle jerk" thread doesn't indicate why you think JetDan's opinions are baseless? Got it. _
Considering it was completely and utterly irrelevant to the point I was making (which was a generalization about whether or not all speculation was inherently "baseless" or not) . . . yes. No, in point of fact, it doesn't. (Especially since I explicitly indicated that claiming Sanchez would make us worse this season would be just as baseless as saying he would make us better) I still don't think you "Got it." LOL
