We had no 2nd round pick. I'm not going to be happy with any draft class that is short it's 2nd round pick. Not unless the Jets get a couple of good starters and a roleplayer or two out if it. They're short a starter from 2011 and that was the 2nd round pick we spent for a vet in 2010.
Of COURSE it was all about marketing--Woody thought Tebow was the Lebron of Cleveland, that folks would be lining up at the gates clamoring to shell out thousands of dollars for PSLs. Woody is an idiot. There was no football reason to sign this guy, he was already a football pariah at that point. Look at how he was not used as your proof. The OC didn't hate him, in reality the coaches wanted NOTHING to do with him because he was rammed down the FO's throat. Rex basically admitted it by NEVER insisting on a package of plays for him. Same deal with Favre--although he could still play and was a huge draw. Some dudes here live in a fantasy land and can't give up on their illogical arguments. I've accused YOU of that at times _
i believe this is true, and that's what I'll be looking for the rest of this season. it's a tall order this week on the short week road trip against a quality opponent. but finding a way to beat the hated Patriots would be a shot of adrenaline for this team. i want this game more than any of the previous weeks..
I do question how Elway was able to pull down a 4th rounder from Mr. T though when the Jags were the only other team to show any interest in Tebow and even that interest may not have been there. It was almost like he was negotiating with himself for that deal. I don't get how Mr T can get Santonio Holmes from PIT for a 5th rounder but for Tim Tebow, he decides to give up a 4th. Both guys had stenches ridden in them that scared other teams off, but at least Holmes could play back then. Denver would have most likely taken anything, just to get rid of the controversy and not have Peyton Manning have to deal with question after question about his backup, Tim Tebow. Its amazing Elway snatched a 4th round pick out of that deal.
You liked the 3rd round choices of the Boar Hunter and Eric "he's black, he's white" Smith? The Clemens pick wasn't so hot either.
If your owner instructs you to go out and get some guy--regardless of how shitty a football player he is--you go out and you get that guy. Woody needed him because he thought he would sell the product. Tanny got fired for trading for him. If he didn't trade for him. Tanny would have been fired 6 months earlier. Woody needed a shiny toy to sell to the fanbase. There was nothing "football" about it. _
he gave us a great cap situation, he's hit on a few picks. it's way too early to judge longterm. here we go, when you have nothing just bash me. Tim Tebow had absolutely nothing to do w/ PSLs. I thought you were smarter than that and could think for yourself but I guess all the speculation in the media brainwashed you. Maybe it is listening to bad sportstalk on the radio every day? No person is buying a PSL b/c 40+ yr old Brett Favre was our QB for a season. Yes, they should have signed him to a 10 year deal. that would have meant they were serious about football Both moves were terrible moves but both were made w/ football in mind. Most people that can afford PSLs are fairly intelligent, you think bringing in Favre or Tebow would fool people? come on, think logically please.
Now Tannenbaum would have been fired in the offseason had he not acquired Tebow? oh boy. Please stop stokes.
You should tell that to Woody Johnson. I am not saying you are right or wrong about the PSL buying process but either way Woody is the one who thought they would make a difference and that's why the moves were made. You aren't making any argument about Woody you are arguing it's success. That's a different argument. Whether it was successful or not - IDK, I mean with Tebow the Jets were on ESPN virtually 24/7 for an entire year, that probably at least brought one or two fans in. But either way that is kind of an irrelevant conversation because Woody thought it would be successful and that's all that mattered.
Woody Johnson is a very smart man, he didn't believe people were buying PSLs b/c of those players. More jerseys? absolutely but that is spread out among the teams. You want to say he thought they'd win w/ Favre and that would bring in more PSLs? I can buy that but that makes it a football move.
I'm not bashing you, I'm stating my honest to God opinion. Stop deflecting. I'm saying if a boss tells you to do something and you don't, heads roll. Woody IMHO ordered Tanny to get Tebow at any cost--the 4th rounder be damned. If he didn't get that done, heads might have rolled. Why the hell would anyone have given up a 4th rounder for a pariah ready to be kicked to the curb? For MARKETING purposes. The plan failed, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the plan. He was not a football weapon at that point--State's piece of evidence letter A--no package for Tebow. _
I agree with that--a football move predicated on selling PSLs. Favre was a football move AND a marketing move. Tebow not so much. Favre could play football. Tebow was a sideshow. A circus freak. _
I get that point but Tannenbaum was not getting fired before the draft if he didn't acquire Tim Tebow. That makes even less sense than getting Tebow to sell PSLs which makes no sense. There were other teams involved and the Jets didn't know who was serious and who wasn't so they overpaid in terms of picks. They had a package for Tebow though, it didn't work but they had it. Regardless of all this both moves were awful for the franchise. Maybe not Favre b/c after he sabotaged our season it brought us Rex and Sanchez but it still cost us a rare division title in 2008.
I take it junc once again has hijacked yet anohter thread, which is supposed to be about what should happen with Ryan and Idzik, but instead has become a discussion of the Tebow trade and its fallout. Once again we see the evidence why the best approach is the one I follow, of putting junc on ignore.
That was called sarcasm. To drive home my point that you DO what your boss TELLS you to do or you get fired. Please don't take it literally. You think Tanny got Tebow as a football move. I think that makes no sense. I think the only reason anyone in there right mind would bring in Tebow was for MARKETING reasons. The two and only two teams intersted? His home town Jacksonville Jaguars and the Back Page Seeking Perpetually Disfunctional Woody Johnson owned New York Jets. Not one other real NFL team. Not a football move. _
I swore to myself I would not engage and in a moment of weakness fueled by 4 glasses of a nice dry sangiovese, I did. _
It makes perfect sense. -Tebow has miracle run to help Den get to playoffs -Tebow beats us -our offense was missing something post Brad Smith -we hire Tony Sparano who was the HC hen the wildcat went crazy in Miami it was a football move, a poor one but clearly a football move.
You know what, you're right. 100% football move. That's why we fought off 31 other teams for him. Or just his hometown Jacksonville Jaguars. I'm done, you got me. _
who cares who "fought off"? what does that have to do w/ anything? No one else was looking to trade for Ryan Mallett, so why did Houston trade for him? what an asinine argument. You are done b/c you have nothing.
