coples played 36 snaps yesterday

Discussion in 'New York Jets' started by tomdeb, Oct 13, 2014.

  1. 3lixer.

    3lixer. Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2006
    Messages:
    898
    Likes Received:
    267
    Gholston was a waste of a pick. Coples is an NFL caliber player at least.
     
  2. strngplyr

    strngplyr Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 18, 2010
    Messages:
    1,013
    Likes Received:
    89
    I think it's strange they aren't playing him more like Chandler Jones, at least, how they use Jones in the 3-4. He's basically played the LT role from the Giants that BB ran. He lines up wide as a LB, but on the line, and 80% of the time he's playing the LB position he's rushing the passer, not covering. He can cover, but it's not what he's good at, he's a 4-3 DE at heart and if he's going to play LB it's going to be the rush LB role.

    Coples is a similar player, he's just being very poorly used by Rex, which isn't what one would expect. Who is generally you're 4th pass rusher when Coples is on the field covering?

    I don't know if I really agree that "it's fine" when he was drafted as a pass rusher. If he was more of a cover guy (a real cover guy, not a misused pass rusher as a cover guy) then 5-6 sacks a season would be outstanding.

    But he's a middle first round pick used on a pass rusher, you expect production. The hits and pressures are great if they lead to turn overs (which I understand isn't his fault if the DBs drop a pick) or another player with the cleanup sack, but it's his job to finish plays too.
     
    jdon likes this.
  3. PJ4Ever

    PJ4Ever Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2004
    Messages:
    3,212
    Likes Received:
    1,327
    Coples has been a bright spot, although I agree about his usage. It should be Coples, Babin, Wilk and Sheldon rushing the passer the most - and for some reason they take the guy on passing downs. Huh?
     
  4. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 8, 2002
    Messages:
    9,495
    Likes Received:
    2,306
    Go watch baseball. Stat lines will tell you everything.

    As for football - why don't you just quit?
     
  5. Br4d

    Br4d 2018 Weeb Ewbank Award

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2004
    Messages:
    36,670
    Likes Received:
    14,472
    Coples on the outside is a waste of talent. He's not an OLB, he's not a DE, he's a DT.
     
    tomdeb likes this.
  6. jdon

    jdon Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 10, 2006
    Messages:
    2,481
    Likes Received:
    527

    He is kind of a straight line rusher, very adept at shooting through gaps to get in the backfield. But his outside move is not sufficient, and he is playing outside linebacker. I think Rex wants to turn him into Terrell Suggs II, so there is something to the claim that Rex tries to fit square pegs into round holes to suit his system
     
    tomdeb likes this.
  7. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2011
    Messages:
    13,325
    Likes Received:
    4,083
    I wish Rex had more control,we would have 5 dollars in cap space and be 5-1
     
  8. JetsVilma28

    JetsVilma28 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2005
    Messages:
    9,102
    Likes Received:
    2,096
    Rex is a great salesman. After defensive strategy, his sales skill follow. If Rex has more control, you bet your ass Revis would have been back and we probably would have signed desean Jackson and had zero cap space by the end of it. We probably would be 4-2 or 5-1 hahaha
     
  9. nevbeats319

    nevbeats319 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    1,971
    Likes Received:
    677
    this does not make any sense sorry
     
  10. nevbeats319

    nevbeats319 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    1,971
    Likes Received:
    677
    if nobody said coples was lazy his senior year in collage...not 1 person would say he is lazy now..the fact is everyone who says he is still lazy does not watch his play but just read stupid comments and go by that as if its a fact.

    and again everyone take the postion switch to seriously... he did not move to a lineback spot...the jets scheme really only has 2 true linebacker spots that is harris and davis spot..and most of the times pace also in the base d... other then thats coples is playing a rush spot with his hand in the dirt

    against denver rex was using coples and pace a little against areceiver to bump
     
  11. RubenDias

    RubenDias Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2013
    Messages:
    2,050
    Likes Received:
    432
    coples is a 4-3 Defensive end lol he doesnt have a good first step he is a power rusher that goes right into the tackle not edging it to try to tie the tackles feet.
    I honestly belive he would be a beast playing oposite side of robert quinn for example
     
  12. Umphpool

    Umphpool Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2014
    Messages:
    2,967
    Likes Received:
    413
    He would be fantastic trade bait for the off season
     
  13. nevbeats319

    nevbeats319 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2007
    Messages:
    1,971
    Likes Received:
    677
    to be honest...he would be awsome in the LE spot if say we hired dan quinn as our coach
     
  14. wewantsapp

    wewantsapp Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2007
    Messages:
    2,374
    Likes Received:
    1,046
    I wished then & today that the draft pick had been David DeCastro instead. At least DeCastro would have been playing every snap. Your best players should be on the field for every play. That's the problem with this team & coaching staff. We make everything more complicated than it should be.
     
    FJF likes this.
  15. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,513
    Likes Received:
    3,268
    Check the message board on this thread--most agree with me on this issue--few, if any, agree with you. Sorry, Zach.
     
  16. FJF

    FJF 2018 MVP Joe Namath Award Winner

    Joined:
    Feb 29, 2008
    Messages:
    27,721
    Likes Received:
    31,388
    Being in the majority does not necessarily mean you are right
     
    MaximusD163 likes this.
  17. N0samples

    N0samples Guest

    Man, somebody wanted decastro, a guy who missed a whole season, because he would play "every snap"?

    Anyways,

    Rex's whole philosophy is putting guys in to do what they do best and not force them in a scheme. That's true for coples also.

    Coples mostly rushes and has the option of putting his hand down or stand. All a 4-3 would do is to require him to have his hand down, which he already does when he wants to.

    Playing coples at DT would lead to him being ran on.

    The best compromise is playing at LB where he can excel agaisnt the run, rush in 3 point stance or rush like a DT by lining up over the guard and blitzing.

    He does all of these things.
     
  18. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,513
    Likes Received:
    3,268
    Fair enough. It is my opinion that 1st round pick Coples has been totally misused by Rex Ryan. In my opinion, he is a DE/DT and not an outside LB. I think the jets would have an awesome 4-3 defense with Coples, Wilk, Richardson and about anyone else. I listened to the entire San Diego game on the internet on Chargers radio and even the Charger announcers repeatedly commented that Coples looked lost and out of position on several plays. Who can blame him? The kid played DE his whole life and now he "learning" a new position in the NFL. The proof is on the field. I don't see him doing much either, but Rex is too stubborn to admit he made a mistake putting Coples there in the first place. If you think he belongs at LB, fair enough; I just haven't seen it.
     
  19. JetLifeLo

    JetLifeLo Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2013
    Messages:
    4,606
    Likes Received:
    1,553
    We'll see a lot more Coples now that were not playing top 10 QBs every week anymore after this week. He's having a good year you gotta understand schemes & gameplans people
     
  20. tomdeb

    tomdeb Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2004
    Messages:
    4,513
    Likes Received:
    3,268
    What? He plays good against bad QBs, but disappears against "top 10 Qbs?" Not sure what point you are trying to make, but doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement. I'm glad you "understand schemes and games." (whatever that means, too).
     

Share This Page