I wasn't expecting the moon - just wanted some sign of improvement in QB, WRs, Oline and Secondary play - I have seen none so far this season. Nothing about this team gives me any feeling or sense that 2015 will be any better.
The respect is like wise. And you are entitled to your opinion as well as likes & dislikes concerning my posts. I am emotional but I stand by it. As for my analytical ability..I think I am brighter than the average fan. But that's not important & anyone who questions my validity can do so at will. As for your point regarding the draft..I agree w/ you. It IS a crapshoot for the most part & it can't be your lone lifeline for success. But there are some teams that every single year seem to replenish their roster w/ solid drafts & w/o breaking the bank in free agency. Green Bay & Pittsburgh come to mind. Part of that success is based on having very solid depth across their entire roster which allows them to truly select the "best player available",stash them away to develop for a year or 2 w/o the fans screaming for early results & then plugging them in when someone else gets too old or too expensive.That's what I believe Idzik is striving for.The key to this formula is stacking the roster w/ depth. Now it maybe impossible to build an all time great starting 22 through the draft..but it isn't out of the question to build a well rounded deep roster w/ respectable competition. That's where I think this thing is going. We'll see some FA signings along the way b/c hell..we have a TON of money we have to spend.But a priority will be to keep filling the roster w/ solid useable pieces. Not every guy is gonna be high impact like the fans want...but rather..we will build a complete roster that can hold up to today's high injury rate & can with stand the limitations of the salary cap era. Your last point I also agree with. None of this means anything if theJets don't resolve the QB issue once & for all. Not just the QB issue..the passing game in general. It's piss poor & embarassing
What part of a year two rebuild has us tons worse than the fu_cking year before. You are kidding yourself!
If you look at NFL drafting in general, it is very crappy, which leads me to believe it's based on luck to a large degree. Even take Seattle during those wonder years, they drafted Wilson in 3rd round, Sherman in 5th and one of their linebackers in like the 7th. Now, if they had such great scouts, considering how important the QB and CB positions are in the NFL, they would've surely drafted those guys earlier, seeing their talent and all? But they didn't because most likely they had no idea how Wilson and Sherman were going to turn out, they just liked them the most out of what was available in later rounds, and got lucky. Now they look like geniuses. If drafting/scouting was really about skill mostly, how could Brady slip to 6th round, Aaron Rodgers to 5th, while guys like Ryan Leaf and David Carr flew off the board with 1st/2nd picks? I've even seen interviews with supposed draft gurus (from NFL teams not ESPN analysts), and they all pretty much said the draft is a crapshoot.
I would argue that it wasn't a championship level roster. It was a team with a couple of talented units (secondary and O-Line), and a good combination of intelligent veteran players and a coach who could make use of them in his exotic schemes. But it had a bad QB, and not much talent overall. The first year they got very lucky to just sneak into the playoffs (weak Cincy team and Colts sitting out their players), beat a couple of teams that have a history of choking in the postseason, and got spanked by the Colts, the first decent team they faced. 2nd year was when they were at their best, but again most of their success came from the combination of a great secondary, and a coach who could use a great secondary and blitzes to confuse the shit out of any QB, not because they had this amazing roster all around. I mean Shonne Greene, Sanchez, Sione Pouha, Mike DeVito, Bryan Thomas, old Bart Scott, not exactly a team that strikes fear into anyone outside of Revis/Cromartie. All those things caught up to us in the end, both of those years, as Sanchez could not keep up playing at a high level throughout the postseason both years, and the rest of team (with relatively limited talent) eventually crumbled when faced with high end competition. More importantly though, Tanenbaum went all in on a 2-year window, predictably failed to win the Superbowl in such a small window, and then the team fell off the cliff. That's what happens when you try to use shortcuts. Name one Superbowl champion in the modern era that won after being quickly put together to win now, with veteran players being overpaid and thrown together, as opposed to being gradually built over time with intelligent decisions.
Did you even pay attention to the Seahawks when they looked really bad those first three years of the Carroll era? Honestly.
If you really think this team is worse than last year, I don't know what to say. The record sucks right now but who had a harder schedule than we did through the first 7 games? We were in all of those games except one. The year prior, with that schedule, it would've looked much worse.
I think I was more addressing the Peyton or Brady example. That just isn't the scenario for the majority of the NFL. If you get that QB, your life becomes easier as a team and in regards to drafting, FA, and etc. You basically have a larger room for error. The rest of the NFL without that luxury operates differently, so I was addressing more of that, and with the examples I picked, they did build through the draft. They did have their key FA signings, but the QBs and top targets, all drafted players.
His first 3 years don't really look bad at all- SEA2010 7-9 .438 1st in NFC West Lost to Chicago Bears in NFC Divisional Game. SEA2011 7-9 .438 3rd in NFC West–––– SEA2012 11-5 .688 2nd in NFC West Lost to Atlanta Falcons in NFC Divisional Game.
I am not optimistic because this is a QB driven league and the Jets have failed time after time after time to show that they have a clue how to draft, acquire or develop a decent QB - the Jets have never managed to get themselves a top tier QB (I don't know enough about Namath to know how good he actually was but if we are having to look back to the dawn of time that sort of says it all really).
Year 1: 7-9 Year 2: 7-9 Year 3: 11-5 So next season the jets should be 11-5, right? Sweet, rebuild right on schedule!
Lots of folks on here agreeing with the Op are the same ones who insisted this was a playoff contender.
It's not coincidence that SEA's drafts got better once Carroll was hired. He had the benefit of knowing about many of the lesser known prospects through recruiting. Another thing that SEA did well that also might be directly attributed to Carroll is select scheme appropriate players. There was a perfect marriage between what they wanted to run and the players they were bringing in. Whether all of it was a product of having a coach and staff not far removed from the college game and/or their scouting department coincidentally getting better, it's still good talent evaluation and not luck. Brady fell to the 6th because he was a scrawny kid that fairly or unfairly could not fend off an underclassmen from taking his job in college. In terms measurables, talent and college production Brady got drafted where he should have. No one fucked up he simply maximized his NFL opportunity when it was presented to him. Not unlike what AA was trying to do until Idzik punched him in the gut with the Pryor pick. If Mo does knock Bledsoe out you probably would have never know who Tom Brady is. Rodgers dropped to the bottom of the first only because there were no QB needy teams beyond SF that year but there was no denying he had great talent. Ryan Leaf failed because he was an immature head case not because he lacked talent. David Carr failed because he got his brains beat in for 5 years in HOU. I think what you are considering to be luck is really the other variables outside of just talent that come into having success in the NFL (i.e., work ethic, mental toughness, health, scheme fit, coaching, team, .etc.). Generally all those variables have to be aligned for a draft pick to succeed. Besides health most of those variables have nothing to do with luck.
A pair of 7-9 seasons, one of which led the division and catapulted them to the playoffs in which they proceeded to win a playoff game followed by an 11-5 season. Those 3 years?
Yeah, my bad, for some reason thought he went in the 5th. But the argument is still the same, just replace Rodgers with Kurt Warner, Tony Romo, etc. And that's just the QB position. There have been lots of NFL coaches fresh out of college, but they all haven't had the kind of success drafting as Seattle has, so again, I dont know what the exact correlation there is. As far as the rest of your post, you are just stating that there are a lot of variables that influence whether or not a player becomes a successful pick or not, and that there isn't an easy way to predict these variables. Another name for that would be chance, or luck. If as you say, no one messed up on Brady, that means there was no way to predict that he would have a combination of natural tools and "maximizing his opportunity", whatever that means, and develop into arguably the best QB ever. BTW, I am not saying that there is no skill involved in drafting at all. Obviously you can't just be a complete retard and draft successfully, and there are terrible draft decisions (like us drafting a kicker in the 2nd round, or drafting players based on combine numbers, or Mike Ditka going all in on Ricky Williams). But what I am saying is that even if you make solid draft decisions, it still comes down to chance to a large degree, for any team. That's why any team can have a terrible draft any given year.
