The Elephant in the Room

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  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Regarding the bolded part, did you really intend to equate being a Jet fan with being an apologist for Smith???

    I have wondered about fans of that sort and what they might be thinking. Ftr I think real Jet fans stopped apologizing for Smith a long time ago. He sucks and is dragging the team down.
     
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  2. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    Realistically the Jets have far too many holes to begin in one off season replacing the whole OL, minus Dozier, of course. Heh.
     
  3. Quinnenthebeast

    Quinnenthebeast Well-Known Member

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    I would say the only stud we have is Mangold. Then we have D'Brick who is solid/average, then Giacomini who is a stop gap, then Colon who is washed up, and not worth the attitude and penalties that come with him. Lastly Winters who isn't a starting guard in the NFL. Amaro isn't a blocker and Connor was brought in to fill the void. Does that sound like a good line to anyone here?
     
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  4. Big Blocker

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    heh, SMH, of course. Well played.
     
  5. Big Blocker

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    It wouldn't be so bad if there were a few younger players on teh bench who could grow into starting positions. Perhaps Aboushi, but it has been concerning me that he was not able to get ahead of Winters on the depth chart, and only did so through injury. But if they had such players, that sounds like a mid tier OL to me in today's NFL.
     
  6. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    Correctamundo! To that point if Idzik indeed has a plan with an eye on 2015 as some of his supporters have suggested, isn't he leaving himself a whole lot of work to do in just 1 off-season?
     
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    Correctamundo! In fact, if Idzik were able to pull that off, he would arguably be the best GM ever in NFL history.

    I guess we will have to wait and see.
     
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    My one hope is, Idzik not wanting Geno to fail, enough to bring in a shit ton of talent. At least if Geno does fail, we'll have a shit ton of talent.
     
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    That's why im not sold on his "plan" it takes more than one of season and they could have secured the cb position. I just don't think idzik is good.

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    LOL!

    I do agree though.
     
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    We don't need either of them to maintain our current level of ineptitude on offense.
     
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    You'll be surprise at the unbelievably deep levels of ineptitute that can be reached if we were to cut Brick and Mangold in favor of some rookies.
     
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    True unless those rookies are taken in rounds one and two next year (and surrounded by a couple of free agents at guard).
     
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    Mangold has been elite this year, Brick has been solid and Breno has been decent as well. Winters going down is a blessing in disguise, I feel aboushi can't do worse...and maybe the Jets shake things up and play Dozier sooner than later for colon.
     
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    I hate this whole apologist thing. It's like every time someone defends one of our players, they're an apologist. Looking at the game OBJECTIVELY, Smith has not played well, but he hasn't had much help either. This is pretty clear.
     
  16. Big Blocker

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    There are issues with the growing size of the contracts for especially Ferguson but also Mangold. A good FO could restructure those contracts to make them more acceptable. But to suggest they are playing worse than a second or third round rookie, especially considering the kinds of people the Jets have been drafting, is a teensie bit of an overstatement, no?

    I am trying to help you out here.
     
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    I was suggesting that with better play at guard (free agency) a LT taken in the top 5 overall and a C taken in the top 5 of round two (or higher if we trade up) could probably fill those holes.

    The more likely solution is that we replace Brick this year and hold onto Mangold for another year until we have a replacement for him as well.
     
  18. Big Blocker

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    You are being too thin skinned. An apology it must be conceded is not directly synonymous with an explanation, and does include an expression of a kind of regret, of making an excuse. And in making an excuse one in fact is defending that player. So how is a defense of a player to be distinguished from an apology? Two things need to be said about that.

    One is there are good apologies, meaning situations where such an expression is appropriate, such as "I threw an interception, but I know what happened there and it will not happen again." And there are bad apologies, such as "Smith is really not the problem here, it's all the OL/OC/Wideouts' fault."

    And the second is you don't have to apologize when you are performing well. Smith is not peforming well. If he were, no one would be talking about or trying to make apologies. In other words, no one would feel a need to DEFEND him, meaning apologize.

    But to be fair I know that when I say someone is an Apologist, that means I think they reflexively defend a player with inadequate explanations. Well, imo some people here do that.
     
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    If those guys are playing so well please explain why we didn't get more rushing yards against Denver.
     
  20. Big Blocker

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    I guess Bren is someone we might be stuck with for awhile, which may turn out okay. But the Jets need help at probably two Cb positions, wideout, Qb, maybe even two Qb's, will need to upgrade LB what with Pace getting old and no obvious replacement for him, and probably more than one OG.

    It's too many needs to pursue the strategy you offer.
     

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