The Elephant in the Room

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  1. pclfan

    pclfan Well-Known Member

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    I think Walt Powell has return ability in other words he can find a crease in the coverage and get yardage with potential for breaking one at any time. These kind of players are hard to find so Id stick with him at least for a game. But this team cannot withstand turnovers. If he can't hold onto the ball they have to use somebody else.
     
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  2. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    The way a good running game works is that you feast on the bad rushing defenses and try to get enough carries in against the good rushing defenses to keep them honest. That's what we've always done. At the end of the year we will be near the top of the rankings like we've been almost every year under Rex provided we are not forced or voluntarily elect to abandon the run in too many games. With regards to pass blocking, the o-line is not great by any means but when teams can blitz with no fear of consequence from the opposing QB and WRs, the offensive line will look bad to the untrained eye.
     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    LOL at the bold, the one guy that hasn't taken a snap gets to stay.
     
  4. jdon

    jdon Well-Known Member

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    See that is what I do not understand. I tried to be patient and wait for it to come. But to me, if Geno has trouble picking up secondary receivers, he would want to run at the first opportunity. I am not saying get killed out there. Slide, by all means. But if the first guy is not there, then run.
     
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  5. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    This. Spot on! See I don't disagree with everything you say.
     
  6. legler82

    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    SMH only on TGG does saying Brick and the rest of the o-line has been inconsistent means Brick is still a top notch LT. There's no nuance here.
     
  7. Big Blocker

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    Name an offensive lineman who never gets beat.

    Everyone knows the importance of the LT. He's important because he usually has to deal with the opponent's best pass rusher. LT"s don't always win those battles. It's up to the Qb to do his part.

    But I do agree the FO has been letting the OL decline for too many years now. I just see Smith apologists trying to blame ALL his troubles on the OL, and that is not accurate.
     
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  8. Big Blocker

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    Heh, that is pretty funny. Not to defend Hasty, who can defend himself, I think he meant taht Dozier, not having played yet, might show down the road that he deserves to stay.
     
  9. zace

    zace Well-Known Member

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    Lame argument. Make a better one

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  10. BakerMaker

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    Why does every post of yours say stuff like "The Smith Apologists" and "Idzik apologists"? Is it used as a point to try and convince people that those posters don't have any merit in what they're saying?

    Not all the Smith "Apologists"(Or you can just say Jet fans) blame just the OLine, there are some who have said Geno hasn't played too well. But when the running game can't amount to much between 3 running backs, the pocket collapses often that chases out the QB and you had a left guard that was down there among LG production(Was at one point the worst LG in the NFL by Footballoutsiders and PFF), the OLine deserves a lot of questioning and I am not seeing it get questioned by the media or hosts who still would rather jump on our CB situation or Geno Smith or Rex Ryan or the 20 million under the cap. Its an underlying problem that needs more questioning, I was harboring the point for a while now that this OLine needed a shakeup, starting at the LG spot and people are starting to see it which is good.

    Here is what PFF had to say altogether about the Jets OLine play leading up to the Broncos game.

    Stud: It’s good to see Nick Mangold reaching the heights of yesteryear after a 2013 below his usual high standards. He’s back to being the top-ranked center in the league.

    Dud: The more he plays the more you think maybe the Jets should look at another option. Brian Winters had a fantastic opening to the season but it’s all gone downhill since then, especially in pass protection.

    Summary: Not the kind of line that makes life easier on a quarterback. The guards are the big problem area with it precisely zero surprise that a team with Willie Colon would have the worst penalty ranking of any team. But they could, Mangold exempt, do with playing better if they want to take advantage of what is still a very imposing defense.


    It takes no rocket science to see we have gotten mediocre guard play(Colon with the penalties, Winters all around), and thus its affected the running game and the pocket so its good news that Aboushi is starting at LG now because the front 5 needed a shakeup in the worst way.
     
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  11. James Hasty

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    Correctamundo, Dozier is a cheap cap friendly fourth round rookie that can take a year or two to develop and only needs to become a quality backup to justify the cap space he takes up. With his upside as a potential starter down the road he is a keeper for now.

    Everyone that had played on the OL is a disgrace. Even if Mangold can justify his lofty salary after we add talent we still need to start grooming his eventual replacement now.
     
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  12. legler82

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    I'm not as down on the o-line as everyone else. We can certainly starting looking for and grooming Brick and Mangold's replacements but I think they still have 2-3 years of better than average play left. So far Aboushi looks like a keeper to me. His improvement from last year to this year has the be the most I've seen from a Jet in a long time. It's a credit to him and the o-line coach; I hope he keeps it up. Winters' biggest problem was that he was starting; as a back-up I think he provides quality depth. The trouble area is the right. Colon and Breno are good run blockers but in pass protection they are pretty bad. Colon should have been replaced this year; I'm disappointed that didn't happen. And Breno is a stiff in the passing game; I can't believe he got a 4 years contract.
     
  13. James Hasty

    James Hasty Well-Known Member

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    Next year, Brick and Mangold count for about $10 mil each against the cap. That is a lot of money to pay for better than average play.
     
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    I don't know if you can even say inconsistent. It seems Ivory has to break multiple tackles every carry just to get 4-5 yards out of it. That's why Johnson is only getting about 3 yards a carry; he can't break a tackle worth a shit.

    Geno's play has been underwhelming, no doubt, but you may be giving him too much of the blame. He hasn't had sufficient time, especially as a young QB, to go through his reads. I'll concede that we've been blitzed a ton because of Geno's inexperience, but it's not like his hot reads have been open with room to run, which is what you need on third down.
     
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    MaximusD163 Well-Known Member

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    When you say grooming his replacement I just picture the Jets coaches combing a big yellow beard and long golden hair on Dalton Freeman
     
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    "The Jets are built to run. Years ago, early in the Rex Ryan era, they were the most feared running team in the NFL. Remember the old "Ground & Pound" mentality?

    Statistically, they're 12th in the league at 122 yards per game, so it's not all bad, but there has been serious slippage. The reason, according to players and coaches, is that opponents are defending the run with an eight-man box, suffocating Chris Ivory, Chris Johnson & Co. But that is a myth, according to ESPN Stats & Information. The Jets have run the ball only five times against an eight-man box, tied for 30th.

    The bigger problem is the offensive line, which isn't sustaining blocks and is suffering too many communication breakdowns. The Jets' runners are averaging only 2.39 yards before contact per rush, 22nd in the league -- a statistic that shows they're getting hit way too early. If it weren't for Ivory's ability to break tackles, their overall rushing numbers would be considerably less. "

    Pretty much backs me up on the run game.
     
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    legler82 Well-Known Member

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    I usually try to stay away from cap talk. Like I've said before, it's not my money so I can't get all bent out of shape that Woody is overpaying this guy and that guy. With that out the way, and besides the fact we are well below the cap, what do you propose we do? Cut both in favor of a couple of rookies?
     
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  18. MaximusD163

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    I think a lot has to do with the fact that all of the runs are out of the shotgun though, linebackers can flow to the ball so much more easily when they can see it develop that way. Linebackers and safeties can play downhill when the play unfolds as obviously as the Jets running plays do. There is little to no threat of Geno taking advantage of over aggressive LB's or safeties in the passing game, so they do whatever they need to to get to the ball carrier asap.
     
  19. Bellows1

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    That plan worked well at CB...
     
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