Make it simple. This is year 2 of rebuild mode. Wake up.

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  1. rammagen

    rammagen Well-Known Member

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    but those drafts for giants coupled with smart free agency moves produced players. 4 players in two yrs drafts and free agency is not enough
     
  2. jcass10

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    So Shaq Evans and McDougle have no chance?
     
  3. Br4d

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    The Giants are barely hanging on at this point with a 33 year old QB and a talent base that is eroding all over the place. As soon as Eli is gone they'll make the Jets look good by comparison.
     
  4. pclfan

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    I'm not for throwing away any season. If Geno was who they hoped he would be after a good finish last year it could be a different story this year on offense. But to kill Idzik for not spending all of his cap money on a few elite players is not too bright. You have limited resources and with injuries if you spend all your money like for example giving a guy like Mike Wallace 11 mil you don't have enough left to cover injuries. So what happens if one these superstars goes down there goes your season. You have to sign replacements off the street. I'd go for depth and you can get very good non big ticket players. So I wouldn't put all of my eggs in one basket and think that's the direction Idzik is heading towards even if the press doesn't approve.
     
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  5. GQMartin

    GQMartin Go 'Cuse

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    ^ they didn't spend money and don't have the personnel to fill in for injuries right now
     
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  6. GQMartin

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    I understand this process is not easy.

    The GM has to dismantle the half built project and do it under the guise of "we want Players that are Jets" to mitigate lost ticket sales.

    This year is completely unacceptable and an utter waste of time watching them play.

    that said, JI should have another year for his plan.

    The biggest change needs to be getting some fucking new eyes in the scouting film rooms.

    Aside from the DL and Ivory, we have a bunch of pansies out there (think Kerry Rhodes).
     
  7. nyjetsknicks247

    nyjetsknicks247 Well-Known Member

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    TRADE FOR BIG BEN!
     
  8. NotSatoshiNakamoto

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    ? why would the steelers trade big ben??
     
  9. nyjetsknicks247

    nyjetsknicks247 Well-Known Member

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    The question is why not
     
  10. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    One of my favorite quarterbacks. Love the way he plays.
     
  11. 2insane

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    Instead of trading for a QB, retool and rebuild the o-line is the smart bet
     
  12. Superhippy

    Superhippy Well-Known Member

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    Jet fans are just expecting way too much, way too soon from the 2014 draft

    2014 Draft - Stats for the entire NFL.

    - 7 7th rounders have been active for atleast 5 games.
    - 10 6th rounders have been active for atleast 5 games.
    - 12 5th rounders .
    - 17 4th rounders.
    - 17 3rd rounders.
    - 20 2nd rounders.
    - 23 1st rounders.

    And that's just active, not starting every game. 6 of the Jets 12 picks were in rounds 5, 6, and 7 where only 29 players out of 115 have even been active all season, the vast majority of which are either riding the bench or playing special teams.

    The only guy's you can expect immediate production out of in year 1 are your 1st and 2nd round players. Pryor has played decently for a rookie safety and will continue to get better. Amaro looks like a freaking beast. Our 3rd round pick and one of our 4th rounders are out for the season. Idzik can't control that. Dozier, Reily, and Enemkpali all still have a ton of potential too. Idzik even after cutting Saunders did pretty good this year.
     
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    You're spot on about the scouting department. After the past draft get rid of those guys. Esp the Tannenbaum holdovers.
     
  14. rammagen

    rammagen Well-Known Member

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    this yr no they don't next yr is maybe at best. You have 21 million dollars to spend you could have parted with 4 million to get help for geno. why are people so blind as to not see that
     
  15. rammagen

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    thank you for saying something correct. Again I don't expect the Jets to fix everything overnight but come on fix what you can reasonably . They should have got one more receiver
     
  16. rammagen

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    I have no issue with that but what makes you thin k this guy has the eye to get the talent they need
     
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    I do not know.

    Build a good line first.
     
  18. IIMeanDeanII

    IIMeanDeanII Well-Known Member

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    I'm blind?

    He cut 4 of the 12 draft picks from this past draft. Did you honestly expect all 12 picks to stick on this roster?

    If you have that many draft picks, you already know you are going to miss on a few. The objective when building through the draft is not so much based on quantity, it is about quality.

    You see, the idea is that when you have that many draft picks, you have a much higher probability of finding more impact players than you normally would otherwise. You are drafting in a methodical and impractical sense.

    Overall this approach entails understanding that there are going to be lesser picks from the overall draft. Sure they are trying to hit on everyone of those picks (that's not realistic), but this approach is more about the odds than anything. The more picks you have, the more possibilities you will have for your future roster. Some don't pan out but it is about the ones that do. That's all that matters.

    It's a strategy, not a failure.
     
  19. soxxx

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    Either:

    A) Idzik was trying to sabatoge Rex

    or

    B) Idzik just doesnt have a clue what he was doing with the money

    20 million under is not a position for a team that is trying to win, was he planning for the future? ......he was planning for a future without Rex Ryan. Next offseason every last dollar should be spent, heck we have to start spending because we have to spend 89% over four years, being 20 million under is less than 89%......
     
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  20. rammagen

    rammagen Well-Known Member

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    His strategy sucks, because he has failed to fill in needed holes with this strategy.
    Let's look at what he has done and failed to do again
    with 21 million dollars in resources he failed to sign an additional nfl caliber receiver to help a young struggling qb. Tried to answer it via the draft and failed there as well.

    DB injuries did hit them signed a head case who went awhol and when younger 27 yr cb former pro bowler in flowers comes available fails to make a run at him or even a call .
    Let several other players slip through because he did not want to over pay. News to the world you may have over pay to get someone to come here next yr.
    Flowers even though if he does not fit exactly into the scheme you need help any help there. Instead he goes to SD and gets a pick off of Geno.

    Receivers he let pass Jackson, myles, tate 3 younger players that could have been signed to reasonable contract for their age to help a known issue. He produced one receiver Decker who has been injured and te amaro that the jury is still out on.

    So we went into the season with holes at cb, wr, ol and outside linebacker and going into next year we have the same holes. Plus he help kill a qb by not getting help.
    So next we add qb to the list as well? At this rate it will be 2022 before he fixes anything.

    It is just this team has regressed since he has taken over, in what area did we improve, please enlighten us. What hole did he permanently fix we still need receivers, olinmen, db's and now a qb.
     

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