Regardless of how Milliner worked out, I'm glad we didn't pay Revis his precious 16 million a year. It might not seem like it now, but think bigger picture and that would be an awful move as an organization. We took the most advantageous position we were in with him and used him as a bargaining chip. Anything else would have left us with less to work with as a team. Negotiating a new deal with him would've basically put us at his mercy, a terrible place to be. It was either pay out the ass for his ass and let him eat our cap in major ways OR let him hit free agency and have nothing to show for his time here like, oh say Sheldon Richardson in ADDITION to being more or less where we are right now at corner. When we traded DR what did we REALLY trade for him? we traded an overpriced, difficult to negotiate with, flexibility killing quality CB for a Defensive rookie of the year and loads of cap space to retain any talent or sign other more worthy or less costly key pieces. i'll take that in lieu of giving into his demands, knowing his infatuation with the 16 million a year figure we would've been in the tank for a 14-18 million dollar cap hit this, which we'd never get back. no thank you, we're not in a good spot at a CB but at least we're not screwed as a TEAM.
He simply wasn't worth the pick even when healthy. We should have taken an OL. We could have traded down. Generally you should avoid drafting corners who play on dominating defenses. Often the pass rush makes them look better.
Though I agree with you in hindsight, at the time he was "worth it" (at least in the popular opinion.) In fact, believe it or not he was "supposed" to be a top 5 pick and actually fell to the Jets. Though I wasn't happy with the pick at the time b/c expectations were so high after trading away Revis, most fans were ecstatic at the value that we got.
Milliner was the best CB prospect to come out since Peterson did in 2011. He had quality technique and elite athleticism, think the physical tools of Cro but significantly better technique. The injury "issue" was barely existent at the time, no more than most other college players who get hurt in college and are fine in the pro's. It is looking like injuries effect him more than average but that was not something obvious before the draft. He was better than any other prospect in 2012, 2013, or 2014, and it sucks pretty damn hard to see a talent like that not be able to play for us.
I too was not happy with the pick because (in order of concern) unrealistic expectations that would be placed on him because of the Revis trade, not a good fit for our current scheme and injury history. My reasons were right but not the order. The injuries have been a much bigger issue than I anticipated while the Revis expectations have not played a big part like I thought they might.
Whoah, dunno. Cro was a freak coming out 6-2+, crazy arm length, 4.3 speed, 42 inch VERT, 11 BROAD…etc. It's also interesting you talk about Dee having quality technique when that's the thing he's struggled with the most outside of staying healthy. Athletically speaking Justin Gilbert is pretty comparable to Milliner. When you add in the better ball skills, return ability and experience playing press man, it can be argued that he is a better prospect but I would definitely be put Dee at 1 or 1A in the past 3 drafts when looking strictly at measurables.
Lol you just being argumentative again? If you want to get technical fine. Cro ran a 4.47 at the combine then a 4.38 at his pro day (which are notoriously timed quicker than the hyper accurate combine) Cro is 6'2" and was about 208 as a prospect, and jumped a 38 vert at the combine, with a 42 at his pro day and a 132" broad Cro's arm length is 33" Dee ran a 4.37 at the combine, and he's 6'1 202 lbs. He jumped a 36 vert at the combine and a 122 broad, with an arm length of 32" Gilbert ran a 4.37 at the combine, is 6' 202 lbs. He jumped a 35.5 vert and a 126 broad, with an arm length of 33" I didn't mean he was identical to Cro in every way, but all 3 are pretty close in terms of athletic ability. Sure Cro probably has them by a hair but they could all probably beat each other on any given day at any given test. But the fucking point I'm making is that Dee was better with technique coming out of college than either of them. Dee doesn't have the natural hands that Cro and Gilbert do, but he had plenty of picks in college and he grades out better in coverage than either of them. He definitely graded out significantly better in press man than Gilbert, who's weakness was press man but his strength was off man. Gilbert wasn't as technically sound as Dee in any type of coverage.
Wait....so there's fans who think we should'a paid Revis 14-16 mil for his 'recovery year' from knee surgery but think the top DB in the draft should be cut NOW because of knee surgery? Do you realize Milliner will come back fine from this, just as Revis did, and become a top press man DB in the NFL? Yes, the Jets will be far better off next season with Millinier and McDougle coming back AND the DB talent Rex was forced to develop this season. Edit: We could be one of the few teams with 4-5 legit DBs when going to nickel/dime. That's unheard of.
Not argumentative but you throw a lot of stuff out here into the TGGsphere that are very debatable. Cro's combine and pro day numbers were barely six months after tearing up his left knee. Even with that his #'s overall were better than Dee's. His athletic accolades at FSU were being compared to the likes of Deon Sanders. When comparing athleticism of collegiate prospects Cro's name should not be thrown around lightly and generally should be reserved for the true freaks. Dee is a superb athlete but you won't find too many calling him a freak athlete. I don't know about grades but my eyes tell me that Gilbert is better press man CB while Dee better at off man.
Just let it go buddy. Moving on from Revis was the best decision this franchise made in a long time. The problem is his replacement has been injury proned. But a 12-15 million dollar corner would not change the fact that this team has a losing record.
I thought last season when the Jets ran more zone, Milliner started grabbing interceptions. He can play both man and zone. Gilbert btw is on the bench for CLE. Tough to be a rookie CB.
We are, or at least I am, talking about them as NFL prospects. CLE plays a lot of press man and demand a lot of their CBs. Hayden has had a rough start of the season as well. It's tough to be CB period especially one that plays a lot of press man. I believe Gilbert is rated higher than Hayden at the moment if you can believe that.
The new rule changes, a lot of CBs are struggling coming into the league. Even veterans are struggling, like a Joe Haden. I'm not a fan of drafting a CB in the top 10 because of this reason.
Which we knew entering the draft. The second reason why I always hated this pick (with the first being that he NEVER played press coverage in college). You get what you paid for. The guy is as injury prone as they come.
That's not a bad approach. I think I would still take Gilbert top 10 though because of this excellent ball skills and return ability. Since you know a young CB is going to get tested a lot, you like the ones that can maximize the turnover opportunities when they present themselves. Gilbert is not going to drop a lot of INTs and when he gets it that's always a potential house call. That and the contribution he can make on STs as a returner makes him worthy of a top 10 pick for me.
Ha ha. Tell that to the bears or chargers. Rookie cb's can ball in this league. You just have to pick the ones who didn't have 5 surgeries in college.
