Yeah, she likely was exposed on the first visit when he was symptomatic but not bleeding openly yet. Ebola can be spread by contact with sweat, saliva, semen, blood, basically almost any bodily fluid. If he sneezed in her face and the virus was present in the microscopic droplets and they touched her open eyes or any mucous membrane she could have been exposed. If the droplets touched her lips she could have been exposed. Note that the virus cannot survive in the air but it can survive in microscopic fluids expelled into the air by an infected host. Those particles of infected fluid will be gone seconds after the sneeze or cough occurs but if you were directly in contact with them before that you are at extreme risk of infection. The virus can survive much longer in larger quantities of fluid, like blood, vomit, feces and urine. If you are caring for somebody who is infected over any significant time period and you are not wearing a full hazard suit and taking precautions you are going to be infected.
Ha. Following this advice would result in the extinction of soxxx in particular and internet message boards in general.
Again I posted that under the belieft the cop had Ebola. If he had gotten ebola I would have been only through airborne method because he did not come into contact with the body and did not come in contact with any bodily fluids. Apparently he does not have Ebola so that null at this point.
It's just not worth the trouble. It's easy to make the conclusion that a virus is airborne and hardy enough to be transmitted that way when in fact it is only transmissible in rare cases when a patient coughs directly in the face of a care provider at close range. If Ebola was airborne we'd have had outbreaks already centered around the victims known to have flown aboard airplanes while infected and in the early stages of symptomatic expression. We haven't had that happen at this point and in fact we have not identified a single case in which somebody transmitted Ebola aboard an airplane. The nurse in Dallas heard the words Liberia, flu and Ebola and she chose for whatever reason not to take them seriously. She will now become the poster child for health care professionals everywhere on this issue and will provide a great public service in the process. Hopefully she will survive the ordeal.
That's almost irrelevant. They were monitoring her, and it is very difficult to contract/pass on prior to being symptomatic. Even if she was coughing in the face of every patient she treated, it's highly unlikely that the virus was prevalent enough in her body that anyone would have been able to contract it until Friday. Does anyone else get the feeling that there's a subset of the population that has been stocked up on ammo and canned food since 2008 or so and are just dying for the chance to feel vindicated?
The article isn't clear on this point. I should probably retract the poster child comment. Thomas showed up at the ER on the 24th and was sent home that day. He was returned by ambulance on the 27th and diagnosed with Ebola. If the health care professional had contact with him that day then he or she is well within the maximum observed incubation period at 15 days. Same would be true if they contracted the disease on the 24th. It's not clear if things would have been different for anybody if Thomas had been placed in isolation under observation on the 24th. It's pretty clear though that the world has changed dramatically for health care personnel in the US over the last ten days. When somebody comes in reporting flu-like symptoms and you have any reason to suspect they have traveled to West Africa recently you're going to have to isolate them for observation.
I guess you're like deathfart in that someone cannot be interested in a story and concerned with potential fall out without being scared and living in a fallout shelter. I am not sold that they know as much about this shit as others may be. I understand there are many factors involved in the African outbreak that are not issues here but it is still a big outbreak and people who contact are a coin toss away from death. For the record I didn't start stockpiling ammo until our piece of shit governor strong armed the unsafe act through legislation.
I just saw the CDC said that this was caused by a "breach in protocol" at some point. I think they would have specifically referred to the first hospital visit if this woman was involved with that but I could be wrong.
Meh. It's more the tone running as an undercurrent behind all the questions, compounded by ignorance about basic medicine/science. "I wonder how many patients the nurse had contact with" indicates concern... about something that is irrelevant. Who is "they"? And what don't they know about? Aaaaand suspicion confirmed. Believe me, I'm interested in the story. I'm also concerned (for the people in Africa and health care workers here... not for civilization at large). But I get the impression (and it's just an impression) that a few people here are jerking it to the idea of the collapse of our society, like we're in that movie with Dustin Hoffman and Morgan Freeman... you know, the one about the outbreak of the African virus where people in a small town start dying from the outbreak and the government comes in to stop the outbreak, but the virus goes airborne, and they realize the evil government agent is trying to bomb the town to stop the outbreak, and in the end they find the source of the outbreak and cure it... ...I think it was called, The Virus That Went Airborne.
The medical community. I am not convinced they fully understand this thing in general. specifically I'm also not convinced they know everything their is to know about how it's spread. I don't believe it's airborne or anything specific I just question how much is actually known. I am obviously a skeptic at heart. [quote/] Aaaaand suspicion confirmed. Believe me, I'm interested in the story. I'm also concerned (for the people in Africa and health care workers here... not for civilization at large). But I get the impression (and it's just an impression) that a few people here are jerking it to the idea of the collapse of our society, like we're in that movie with Dustin Hoffman and Morgan Freeman... you know, the one about the outbreak of the African virus where people in a small town start dying from the outbreak and the government comes in to stop the outbreak, but the virus goes airborne, and they realize the evil government agent is trying to bomb the town to stop the outbreak, and in the end they find the source of the outbreak and cure it... ...I think it was called, The Virus That Went Airborne.[/quote] I have seen like 3 movies in my life and I'm pretty sure that's not one of them. you can leave me out of that subset you believe exists. let me know if you confirm anyone who isn't an obvious troll.
And this is based on what, exactly? I've always had a problem with people who say, "Yeah, but we just don't know," and then proceed to give every view equal credence because of this. No one knows better than the researchers working on this that we don't know everything. But they know a hell of a lot more than you. And me. "Questioning" how much is known without knowing anything yourself is the realm of conspiracy theorists and fear mongerers, especially when you're not making any effort to educate yourself. It's weak. It's mentally lazy. It was a bastardized Simpsons reference, but you're missing the larger point... which is that all this "questioning" definitely puts you in that subset.
Based on how quickly it's spread, what else? I never claimed to know more than anyone about this. I'm a show me guy. They shut this thing down and prevent the spread in the US and I'll believe they know enough about it. I generally find conspiracy theories to be ridiculous so I guess you don't know as much about me as you think you do. you seem like an arrogant doucher.
But you said," I am not convinced they fully understand this thing in general. specifically I'm also not convinced they know everything their is to know about how it's spread." Whose job is it to convince you? And why? The funny part is that if you educated yourself about Ebola, you wouldn't need anyone to convince you, because you'd already know. Says the guy who wants other people to "convince" him of stuff he's ignorant about. That's nice.
