Unless your QB is named Andrew Luck, you have to wait a few years before you know what kind of QB you have. Quit the "woe is me" bitching attitude.
The problem is that Vick will improve the QB play but likely not enough to make a huge difference and then he'll get hurt and game 10 we'll be right back where we are now except a playoff spot will be slowly evaporating because the 4-5 Vick left us with will turn into 5-7 pretty quickly in a year where 9-7 is probably going to win the AFC East. It's a real problem figuring out what's best for the Jets right now. For the fans it's more interesting to watch Vick go 3-2 over the next 5 but for the franchise it might be a lot better to watch Geno go 2-3 if that's all he has available. At least then we know we're getting a QB next year somehow. The nightmare scenario from my point of view is Vick goes 3-2 and then Geno goes 1-2 and we're out of contention but then somehow we win 3 out of the last 4 like last year and the FO is back in "maybe Geno doesn't suck" mode. I'd much rather conclusively find out that he sucks so we can move on. If he happens to find himself and become a good QB somehow, well that'd be the much better result and we'd make the playoffs. There isn't an endless supply of opportunities for Geno to make good at this point. That's going down the Mark Sanchez road again. It'd be nice to find out one way or the other by the end of the year. Half-knowing again at the end would really suck. If we want to win a Super Bowl in 2016 we'd better be playing the guy who is going to do it in 2015 because vets who can do that don't come around very often.
What is the right number of games to "conclusively find out that [a player] sucks"? Is it the same for all positions?
Isn't it funny nobody want to blame Brady they put it on his supporting cast, but everybody blames Geno and Brady has a way better supporting cast then Smith.
brady honestly hasn't looked good. his long ball is really off now. he gets pressured up the middle and can't do anything about it.
QB is a special position because it's the most important one in football and because good QBs are so hard to find. With that said, if you invest a high pick into a QB prospect, and they don't look great their first year, I think a full 2nd year is warranted. They don't have to become great in that second year, but they do have to show improvement. Then same with 3rd year, as long as there is constant non-trivial improvement. With Sanchez, we should've have given him the third year, because he did make it to the championship game and had some good playoff games in his 2nd year even if he wasn't that good overall, but once he stunk up the third year and showed no improvement, it was time to can him. The 4th year he got was a waste. With Geno, this year should be his, to see if he can show improvement or not. He did the first 2 games, but then reverted to last season form to a alrge degree in the 2nd two games, at least as far as turnover and dumb decisions. But he should still get this year so we can have a larger body of work to make the final decision. Vick is just a temporary band aid. If Geno doesn't show improved decision making, then we have to get a young QB this offseason.
The INT Geno threw in Lions game was not a bad decision it was a bad throw the WR was open. The fumble was not Geno fault he took a 3 step drop then starting to throw the ball but gets hit. That on the OL.
Do you mean most teams just keep cycling through QBs if they dont play well right off the bat? Bad decisions, bad throws, etc. And you can't blame the OL for all of those. We lead the league in sacks, but those QBs we faced, none of them started throwing picks or fumbling when we sacked them. At some point, as a QB, you gotta have a certain sense of awareness of where the pressure is coming and when and react.
The problem still comes back to the massive disconnect between GM and Fans. we have a GM who sticks to his plan of a 3-4 year rebuild, not making any panick moves or overpaying marginal players. we have a fanbase that thinks we are 10+ win team that should sign anyone and everyone cause we have a realistic shot of making noise. we have one fan on here who went as far as to say "there is no such thing as a rebuild" there are only 2 reasons to bench geno: 1) injury 2) we aquire a young QB midseason via trade/Free agency other then that, there is no reason to sit him, regadless of how good or bad he plays
I dont think anyone is advocating letting smith start 5 years to develop. in fact many of us year after year were calling for a QB change. i dont think it is unreasonable to give geno 1 full year as a non-rookie. im fine with this being a make or break year for Geno. but i dont think giving him the year is unreasonable. especially when we arent a playoff contender anyhow
you just have a different, short term view. the best route to getting good QB is to play geno, find out as quickly as possible if he isnt capable of developing, sucking in the process, getting a high draft pick, and selecting a new QB who is better in the first round. the other option is to try and steal someone in a QB controversy off another team. like RG3/Cousins or Hoyer/Manziel or something of that nature. either way, benching Geno gets us no closer to good QB play. Geno wont get better sitting and we wont move on from him until he has played more. and a 35 year old michael vick certainly isnt the awnser, especially beyond this season
do you really see us goign 3-2 over the next 5 with Vick? i agree he is a decent upgrade to Geno, but while QB is our biggest issue, we have other massive issues and play some elite teams. @SD Denver @KC those are all automatic losses. @NE is likely a loss too. i know they are struggling, but they are still an outstanding home team with less issues then we have. Bills at home is the only game i see as a possible win. with vick i think its 1-4. 2-3 if we pull off a massive upset. 3-2 is an enormous pipe dream
where is it written that it takes 16? or 48? or 5? there is nothing written anywhere. but it is common sense that evaluating a player based on his rookie year + 3 or 4 games is probably insufficient, especially with so much roster turnover. im not saying Geno is the awnser, but you are really doing yourself a dis-service by pulling the plug so early-- and only pushing your potential solution back even further. we are a bad team. we should use this time to evaluate our young players, so we can move on quickly if need be. not let this issue linger where we shuffle the same guys in and out. Losing games is irrelevant this year... or if anything, beneficial(higher draft pick). again, its delusional fans thinking this was ever a playoff calibur team and not a team midway through a rebuild.
