can't get rid of the owner, though. you don't keep a bad coach because the owner isn't good, you just hope the owner maybe lucks out on a better pick, even if by accident.
This guy is the teflon Don. Every year he finds a new guy to throw under the bus. It's shotty, it's Sparano, it's the OL, it's Tanny, it Marty, it's the Offense, it is Sanchez, it is Geno, it's the DBs, it's the injuries, it's Idzik. I will tell you what it is. It is excuse after excuse. And I will tell you what else it is. It is Rex. Every HC in this league is faced with the same issues. The great coaches take what they have and find a way to make it great. Rex takes what he has and finds a way to package the best excuse to keep himself a float. I am sick of him getting a pass on the offense. He is not the DC, he is the HC. He is responsible for all phases of the game. Sign him on as a the DC and sign a real HC or cut him loose. He backed into the playoffs twice and then won a couple games. Other than that he has been crap. He will never win because he does not view it as his sole responsibility. Instead, has figured out he can stay as long as he an find someone else to blame.
I stopped reading after you said "he finds a new guy to throw under the bus", which means I didn't get past your first sentence. Last I checked, Rex never made those comments. Those comments were made by Jet fans.
I don't think Rex is the teflon don anymore, nor has he been since Idzik took over. I think he's been coaching for his job since the day Idzik walked in the door.
Other than the fact that he has never thrown anyone under the bus, never blamed anyone--EVER-- great thread. Couldn't have been posted in the Fire Rex thread or the Fire Everyone thread, it totally deserves its own. _
I'll go you one better than that Kev.. I think Idzik stashed all that 2014 money for his new HC in 2015 unless Rex pulls a miracle out of this season. I wonder what the agreement was for Idzik to take the job. Rex for 1 year with a 2nd optional would be my guess. 3rd year? Probably not in the cards unless something highly unlikely happens. Like say, a deep playoff run.
So who comes in and does a better job? People always say replace this guy replace that guy but check the waiver wire for coaches. Not much out there.
As a fan who dealt with Kotite anyone who came after him was a godsend guess my standards were set very low lolol
Yeah, that makes a lot of sense just based off of Idzik's actions so far and the moves he's made, and hasn't made.
What is this based on? I'm not saying that the guy is a genius or that he has done anything to distinguish himself as a great owner, but what, specifically, has he done to distinguish himself as a particularly poor owner? I'll re-post what I posted in reply to one of your posts a couple of days ago: Also, with regards to your question about Woody deserving to be insulted, I tend to think the never-ending, overwhelming ridicule of him is over the top and generally unwarranted. As you pointed out, he has owned the team for 14 years. Over the course of those 14 years, we have made the playoffs 6 times, have won 6 playoff games (5 on the road), and have appeared in two conference championship games. So, despite the widespread, somewhat media driven, contempt for Johnson, we have probably been an above average NFL franchise (at the very worst, average) under his ownership. It seems to me that the highly popular anti-Woody hype is just that . . . hype.
I didn't know you were related to Woody. Making the playoffs 6 times is not such a great accomplishment. There are 32 teams in the league, and 12 make the playoffs each year. Making it six times in 14 years is bout average, not some great accomplishment as you suggest. But it's worse than that. When Johnson bought the team they had gone to the Champ Game the year before, and but for Vinny going down in the first half of the first game, were favored to go to the SB for the AFC. While there was a brief upswing in the team's performance in 9 and 10, overall the trend has been down during Woody's ownership. It looks pretty bad right now. I find it laughable that anyone would look at the Jets today and think their owner deserves some credit for what he's done as owner. Meanwhile, you had Failure of the West Side Stadium proposal, followed by the joint venture with theGiants - still no stadium for the Jets alone The Tebow Trade A GM search where Woody dictates who the HC will be, and that Revis must be traded Those are only some of the lowlights. Woody sucks and his ownership is bad for the team.
Neither did I. I also didn't know Woody finger-banged your wife. Silly deflection is silly. Where did I suggest making the playoffs 6 times in 14 years was a "great accomplishment?" I wrote that: "we have probably been an above average franchise (at the very worst, average) under his ownership." Reading is fundamental. Based on what logic? How has the "trend" been down under the Woody years, especially when compared to the Hess years? Unless you are going to choose to cherry pick and conveniently start the beginning of your "trend" in 1998 (which is laughably biased), by a percentage basis of years the Jets made the playoffs, the Jets have easily won at a higher frequency under Woody than under Hess. Maybe you and I have different definitions of the word "trend." I find it laughable that anyone could read my initial post and conclude that I was giving Woody any particular "Credit" for what "he's done as owner." My only point (which, you seem to have either completely misunderstood or purposefully misconstrued to benefit your own agenda) was that the team's rather average (or slightly above average, depending on your personal opinion) record under Woody so far doesn't jive with the absurd amount of ridicule he seems to receive from on this message board and in the New York sports media, as a whole. He's been average, not "disastrous" or anything of the sort. And the most embarrassing years the franchise has ever had, by far, were under Hess, not Woody. Not sure why this is all on the owner. Public opinion on the West Side Stadium was always mixed and it was shot down mostly by politics. The Tebow Trade was silly but it was transformed into the single most overrated, overblown entity in the history of the universe by the collective national sports media. A plethora of things contributed to the collapse of the 2012 season . . . Very few of them actually had anything to do with Tebow. Agree somewhat, but I thought Tanny deserved to be fired and Rex didn't. Also somewhat overrated, primarily because it's a subject ripe with speculation. No one knows exactly what Woody said to any of the GM candidates he hired. You'll need to name a lot more, because right now your argument is low on specifics and filled with innuendo and hyperbole.
No need to bring my wife into this, asshole. For everyone else: The point was obvious about a trend. Woody bought a playoff team and they now are 1-3, missed the playoffs three years in a row, and are likely to make it four in a row. The trend has been downwards. The WSS deal as anyone who is fair minded can tell was not merely about a swing and a miss on something that some wanted and some didn't. The real problem was Woody had no plan B other than geting in bed with the Giants if the WSS did not happen. Comparing Woody to Hess is a useless metric. Hess being an awful mess for long stretches does not absolve Woody. Woody has clearly inserted himself in football related decisions. The burden is on those who defend him to show that the big flops of the recent past were not on him. He's the owner of the team. Why should anyone think Woody was opposed to the Tebow trade and yet it happened anyway? As for the effects of hte Tebow trade, they were not limited. Interestingly they included first signing Drew Stanton and then trading him to Indy, from which he followed Arians to the Cards, winning two starts there with no losses already this season, as a backup. But again, the Tebow trade was no a bad move? Really? It was well reported that Ryan's job was safe during the GM search. Why do we really have to go back to that?
You missed the point, once again. The point was that me making a joke about Woody having an affair with your wife was no less relevant to the discussion at hand than you claiming I must be related to Woody for favoring logic over hype. Deal with it. Again, this is a flawed perspective. Woody's teams have made the playoffs at a higher frequency than Hess's did. You can't just arbitrarily start your "trend" in 1998. You are arguing with a biased statistical sample. When comparing them, you have to look at each guy's tenure. Also, comparing Woody with Hess is only a "useless metric" to you because it serves to further highlight the emptiness of your claim that Woody has been a particularly and unusually unsuccessful owner over the course of his tenure. Again, he really hasn't. He's been meh. You talk about him like he's Donald Sterling or James Dolan. It's just not objective. If you want to make turn the failed West Side Stadium proposal into a referendum on Woody's competence as an owner, go ahead, but it isn't based on much substance. That became a political issue and it was ultimately shot down in a political forum. False. I wrote a post merely pointing out that the Jets record under Woody has been anywhere from slightly above average to average and that the level of universal ridicule he receives from the masses is out of proportion with that reality. You responded with an innuendo-filled post claiming that he's been an atrocious owner. As a result, it is on YOU to prove that he has been as horrible as you proclaim. So far, you haven't. Unless you honestly think Drew Stanton would be our franchise quarterback here, none of this is the least bit relevant.If he were still on the roster, he would be 3rd on the depth chart. And by the way, when Carson Palmer comes back, he's starting for Arizona. The Tebow trade was big deal because of Drew Stanton? That's your argument? Give me a fucking break.
