Doesn't matter if it does. He got his body in which is really all that matters. Otherwise, why would it count if you caught the ball and tapped the endzone with your feet but the ball was out of bounds.
If the ball has to be in bounds in the goal line when both feet are in bounds then there are A LOT of catches in the endzone where the receiver touches both feet in bounds while diving but the ball is out of bounds, among other types of examples. The rule is pretty clear if you read the rule in full
if that's the case, runners wouldn't have to make sure the ball crosses the end zone in the center of the field, they could just reach their hands across the end zone, or the top of he helmet. you misunderstand the rule; it is different for pass receptions in the endzone and running plays into the end zone. when a runner is diving for the endzone by the sideline it is always the ball that has to touch the pylon or cross over it in bounds because that is the plane of the end zone that is being judged. otherwise if it was just a body part all a rusher would have to do is cross his hand or helmet over the line, which is clearly not the rule. Stafford never got the ball over the pylon in bounds as a rusher which is different than the rules regarding a reception.
This is covered in the Official Case Book, A.R. 3.17 PYLON—GOAL LINE EXTENDED Second-and-goal on B5. A2, running to his right, is contacted by B2, and as he is going down at the B1, he dives toward the pylon. The ball is held in his right hand extended over the out of bounds area but beyond the extended goal line, when his chest hits: a) the ground, just short of the goal line (A2’s chest is the first thing to hit the ground), b) the pylon, after which he lands out of bounds beyond the goal line extended, or c) the ground in the end zone. The ball crossed the sideline at the B1⁄2- yard line, but it never went over the top of the pylon. Rulings: a) Third-and-goal on B1⁄2. Since the runner was down short of the goal line, the ball must break the goal-line plane, hit the pylon, or go over the top of the pylon for a touchdown. b) Third-and-goal on B1⁄2. Since the runner was out of bounds (beyond the goal line), the ball must break the goal- line plane, hit the pylon, or go over the top of the pylon for a touchdown. c) Touchdown, as the ball broke the plane of the extended goal line, and the runner was not down until he was in the end zone. (3-38, 11-2-1-a) It's also covered in the Official Playing Rules: Section 2 Touchdown TOUCHDOWN PLAYS Article 1 Touchdown Plays. A touchdown is scored when: the ball is on, above, or behind the plane of the opponents’ goal line (extended) and is in possession of a runner who has advanced from the field of play into the end zone; or a ball in possession of an airborne runner is on, above, or behind the plane of the goal line, and some part of the ball passed over or inside the pylon; or a ball in player possession touches the pylon, provided that, after contact by an opponent, no part of the player’s body, except his hands or feet, struck the ground before the ball touched the pylon; or any player who is legally inbounds catches or recovers a loose ball (3-2-3) that is on, above, or behind the opponent’s goal line; or the Referee awards a touchdown to a team that has been denied one by a palpably unfair act. Bottom line: Touchdown.
The point you're missing is that there is an "extended" goal line (i.e., it goes to infinity out of bounds). As long as the player crosses over from the field of play into the end zone (i.e., inside the pylon) then the ball can be out of bounds as long as it crosses the 'extended' goal line, which it does.
That is false. There is no extended goal line rule in the nfl. http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/14_Rule11_Scoring.pdf The rules are pretty specific. Inside the pylon is inside the field of play, not inside the stadium as long as it is even with the pylon. (a) the ball is on, above, or behind the plane of the opponents’ goal line and is in possession of a runner who has advanced from the field of play; or (b) a ball in possession of an airborne runner is on, above, or behind the plane of the goal line, and some part of the ball passed over or inside the pylon; or
That's not what I read: 1. Go here: http://www.nfl.com/rulebook 2. Click on "Scoring" "Extended" is in red. http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/14_2013_Scoring.pdf Also, the Case Book makes specific about the "extended" goal line and these are not my words or edits.
Different case, runners to make sure the ball crosses the plane are diving and their feet/center of gravity never crosses the goal line. you watch enough games you seen end runs at the endzone, especially with scrambling QB's where they have the ball in their hands out of bounds but their feet cross the endzone.....result every time is a TD.
it should not have been a touchdown. ill also point out that the pylon was not in the correct place. the pylon should be lined up with the front of the goal line and in bounds with the edge on the out of bounds line. the pylon is IN the endzone, NOT out of bounds. if the player hits the pylon he is IN the endzone. the pylon in this situation was actually out of bounds. its 3 fucking inches but i have an ocd problem with this rule. because almost nobody gets it right. i have moved many a pylon at high school games.
great thread by the way. and all of you coming in, not reading the post and responding like morons... well thank you for exposing yourselves as complete fucking morons.
In your example, where the receiver catches the ball in the End Zone with both feet in bounds, the ball would have crossed the plane of the extended goal line, even though it was out of bounds The ball yesterday never crossed the plane of the goal line.
That play is and will be called a touchdown each and every time. at that point the referee is watching the feet and if both feet cross the goal line they will call that a TD every time. And since every scoring play is reviewed the New York based refs also agreed.
the first indication that you're a fan of a bad football team is when you start arguing every fine detail trying to make an excuse for your "great" team having lost. The Jets this year just have not been a very good football team.
Shitty loss??? true. But watch the ball,,it never breaks the plane of the end zone. It goes outside the pylon which is out of bounds.
i disagree completely. nobody is making any excuses about who lost or why. that has nothing to do with the conversation. the conversation is about whether the play should have been called a td or not. it should make no difference in this conversation who allegedly scored or didnt or what the outcome would have eventually been. the topic is about a specific play, and if more football fans would stop just being fanatics about their own team and continue to look at more fine details it would be a much better discussion board. however most fans are interested in their fantasy stats more than what the rules are. i have no issue being incorrect here on whether its a td or not. i am actually glad someone posted that information about player b.
