Hard to argue with these points...really good points. Im a hypocrite today..while I agree with your points, I do not get today...looking at the stats after the game, why we didn't force the run more. That being said, did anyone at times who is calling for the run and ground and pound, get frustrated last night at the Jets having so many 2nd and 9s on first down runs. I mean, I get the stats after the game..and Ivory being 10 for 44 rushing. I also saw Johnson at around the same for 34. Except on several occasions when Ivory got into the second tier of defense and had several run overs, I was frustrated by the offensive lines inability to control the line of scrimmage from the get go. This team just f's with your head. Yeah, Im pissed we didn't run the ball more...but the hypocrite side of me was getting real frustrated watching Johnson run into the line of scrimmage with nothing there too. I think I overrate this offensive lines ability to run the ball...then you look at the stats and see us in the top 3 rushing. I just cant figure out this team and what Im watching anymore.
Did you ever think that the reason you weren't expected to be competitive in those games is because of the people Rex plays(Smith) and the fact that the team has no discipline and crap offensive game plans. That's all on Rex. You can't say the defense is top 3 so Rex stays. He's in charge of the whole product and he's not very good at it.
The sky isn't falling, but a lot of people have woken up to the fact that this team is very mediocre and not the playoff team that they had hoped. On the other side of the coin, I don't think the refs have taken us away from 3-0. We didn't have to hand the Bears 14 points either. The Jets did that to themselves, not the Bears nor the refs.
Yea man I feel that. I get where you're coming from... Just put things in perspective... We have had some very bad coaching staffs. Like epically bad - almost 30 years of pathetic losing until Parcells, then Groh was terrible, herm and mangini mediocre at best. Rex is not perfect but he's the best HC we've had since the Namath era. If we stick with Rex he can bring us a SB and I'll tell you why I think that.. I had a more detailed post somewhere abt why I think he is a SB caliber coach - basically the guy has been a DC or HC for 9 years. 3 of those years he has taken his team to the AFCCG. 1/3 of the time he's been coach his teams have gone to the Championship game - sign me up for that. That's a sick stat considering the last 2/3 years were like wasted years. Every year, except the last couple where we had roster implosion, his team defense has been in the top 5, twice number 1 in the league. In his first 2 years as a HC we had the best offense we had under him (a shotty offense with a rookie QB - it wasn't anything special) and he took us to back to back AFCCG. That's an amazing accomplishment man. It's not his fault the roster collapsed. He's been making do with patchwork on D and one of the worst offensive units in the modern era for like 3/4 years now. Now we are half way through building it back up again and have an at least somewhat competent GM. This D is now good - a lot better than most Jets fans give it credit for - it's very close to being elite again. Our offense still needs a lot more work. I'm worried that Rex's fate is tied to Geno... But we gotta give this guy another chance with a serviceable offense. We gotta give him a chance to succeed as a HC. It would be such a wasted opportunity IMO if we don't. All this penalty, discipline stuff is small picture. The big picture is that this coach can take a good D and make it a great D. Give him a decent O to help out the D and we are a serious playoff team every year. It's almost gauranteed. After enduring about 40 years of losing in the last century, every Jet fan should be stoked that we finally have a coach like this in place. The only big obstacle left between us and another run at the superbowl is finding our superbowl QB.
I would totally agree with this except the stats..we out rushed them..out passed them...time of possession....ok we gave them 7 and field position with the fumble but had so many chances to overcome. The Green Bay game too. What many forget is that yeah, we blew an 18 point lead but once the score hit down by a touchdown it stayed there forever. Last night too..it was the same thing. We went down and stayed down while the defense held for a long time. You cant outrush teams almost 2 to 1 every week and say we are medicore and the other guys are better. Check out what Green Bay did offensively against the friggin Lions. I totally see your point, just that this team is below average at the CB position...maybe the qb position..and perhaps average at best at the WR position while we have one of if the not best kickers in the game...3 good runners..and offensive line that has to be considered above average..and excellent front 3 on defense ...and above average middle 4 and 2 solid safeties. Years past, this team has always been hard to gauge. Is it all the talent..the coaching...the HC..or the OC..the OC which is a coaching position that never makes sense as soon as they sign on to lead the Jet offense. Its the Jets...a franchise that has battled with Paul Hackett...Schotty...that moron from the Dolphins..and now Marty. This forum has been battling about whether its the roster or the coaching staff since Herm Edwards was here. This year, it might finally be both but the stats say no. This is the first time in a long time where the stats say this team is very solid at least..except for the turnovers on both sides of the ball.
Honestly man, I can't even be mad this time. The Bears secondary was absolutely decimated. Marty put it in Geno's hands to go after it, just like everyone wanted after last week.
Comon man.... The Saints had one of the worst defenses of all time a few years ago, nobody was calling for Sean Peyton's head.
I mean...at some point you take off the kid gloves and let the kid go for it..not working out. Im on board with your thinking totally. Its weird. Usually, I use this forum to come on after a game like that and blowup. Nobody home. Im not even pissed anymore and I cant figure out why. Everytime, in between plays, you had the guys announcing the game saying things like "and now in at db is a rookie walk on from Baylor" and then you see Geno go back to pass and nobody..nothing. I know...there is no anger this time..none.
listening to Rex interviewed on ESPN radio was sad...he didn't answer any questions - especially why they used everyone but Ivory in the 4th quarter - he just said that we have 3 good backs and balance the workload - if that's the case and Ivory wasn't hurt then they really need to take a look at whether or not Rex is equipped to run a team when offense needs to be considered in the equation.
Nah...abyz has the ability to know when he is talking to a guy with a great heart but had a few brews in him....Brook is a God RM!
LMFAO! Bruh if u didnt see top 5 defense out there yesterday considering there is no real COVER corners on our roster right now you are BLIND. We need to fire your sorry ass as a fan if you can't at least see the bright spots on the team. How many chances do you think almost any other team would've got to stay in that game yesterday? Good QB's with bad defenses look at our squad and say "i wish i had that defense"
I guess their thinking is that Ivory breaks them down for 3 quarters and then you go fresh..which is cool if you still plan on running the ball which they did little of and Im still not sure if that was right or wrong. No friggin clue.
It does look like Rex has given total autonomy to MM regarding the offense. They don't even stand near each other on the field when the offense is on the field and that says that Rex really isn't as involved as a HC should be. Its as if there's two Jet teams on any given sunday. The Jet Defense and the Jet Offense. One good, one not so good both being run by two seperate but equal HC's. If there is one thing that might push Woody to walk Rex, its the recurring issues that happen year in and year out. Every year its the same shit over and over. Within the season, its the same issues over and over. No identity on offense, no discipline on the field. You can only make excuses for so long. You can only ride those back to back AFCCG LOSSES for so long too. Idzik doesn't have the authority to fire Rex so he has to work with him but even that has its limits if the results on the field don't pan out. MM got run out of Philly for a good reason. He might be a WCO genius, but too many times this season he's been too smart for his own and the team's good. I still think Rex gets a mulligan for this season but 2015 will either make or break Ryan and MM might break the camel's back.
Besides one year wonders the last big time receiver we had was Keyshawn. Moss, Coles, and Cotchery were all above average. Holmes and Edwards werent here long enough to leave a big enough impact. Decker probably fits into the Moss, Coles, Cotchery class. We need to seriously address this area in the off season. It's a passing league but we never seem to interested in the position. When was the last time we drafted one in the first round? We've passed up on guys like Vincent Jackson, Anquan Boldin, Greg Jennings, DeSean Jackson, even quality players like Eddie Royal. These were guys who werent even first but second round picks. Granted i'm going back a little lol. We always seem to neglect this position in drafts. I understand we've tried to fill the need through FA signings over the years but you have to draft and develop your own players as well. We got Edwards towards the end of his career, Burress towards the end, Mason at the end. I think Marty is a good coordinator, he believes in passing the football. But it's not going to work when we neglect to add the talent at the position. We shouldn't have stopped with Decker. It was a good start, but not the solution. Emmanuel Sanders was out there for cheap, we could have drafted guys earlier then we did as well. In this years draft and last years.
Marty was in Philadelphia for 10 seasons, and made a lot of QB's look good. you're going to consider that 'being run out'? you don't get much more leeway than that, so they must have liked something about his coaching. I agree this organization isn't playing for 2014, much to the disdain of the fan base (me included).
For all those who wanted a young team built thru the draft, well this is what it looks like. They are showing potential, but they don't know how to win. There will be a lot of inexperienced mistakes, and there will be heckyl/jyde moments in the same game. be prepared to be frustrated in 2014. but to quote Tannebaum, 'it's part of the process'. We may not like this process as impatient fans (many of which are looking for scapegoats after every play), but that is where we are.
heard the interview and he did answer that exact question. He cited Powell's versatility in pass blocking, running, and receiving out of the backfield, and that the game situation was best suited to that versatility. and really, who the fuck cares about what is said in an ESPN radio interview? no coach outright answers the questions, nor do they bury their own players. at most, they'll give you a small window into the thought process. there was nothing out of the ordinary in that interview at all.
