Free agent head coach, the likes of John Gruden or Bill Cowher. Not an official term, but i dont know what you call a head coach who isn't currently head choaching, lol. So ill just call him a free agent. Sorry for my bad grammer, I type fast on my phone and that combined with auto correct can get pretty bad. I apologize for not busting out websters to talk football. Any more insults? And yeah, this FA class wasn't that great at CB..scrubs for the most part. we could have used one, but one or 2 extra mediocre corners wasn't gonna make or break this team. we are what we are. I'd rather our guys take their lumps and learn something then overpay for an old stop gap we really didnt want in the first place. We will learn who deserves to get paid and who deserves to be let go during times like these.
Go through the 32 head coaches in the NFL and seriously ask yourselves whom you'd rather have manning the sidelines. I came up with 8 (no particular order) -- And btw, most of them have a franchise QB. Belichick Kelly Payton Jim Harbough John Harbough Carroll Tomlin McCarthy Guys like Mike Smith, Andy Reid and Jeff Fisher would be solid, but I wouldn't change them for Rex.
I get your points but must insist that the biggest problems on the team right now are with holes in the roster, especially at cb, and an FO committed to a questinable prospect for development at Qb. But... I also agree with your general point that Ryan does not get a free pass on the Qb development situation. I do think that Smith in effect is Idzik's choice here, but overall Ryan has not been a plus in developing Qb's. Now he has Marty, though, and I can say without any caveat that if Smith fails it will be all on Smith. THen it would simply require what amounts to an admission by the FO that the Smith experiment failed, and the team is back to square one in developing a Qb. So Ryan has some responsibilities there, but imo right now the FO and the roster are the bigger problems.
Nice list but I would add McCoy and Arians. Which brings you up to near half the teams. So is the glass half full or half empty with Ryan compared to the rest of the league? In short, Ryan seems about mid pack. Which is not great, but still better than half the teams in the league.
I was sour on Rex prior to this season and waiting for him to prove me wrong. I doubt it happens but I'll be ecstatic if he does. Hearing about him being on the defensive channel during the most critical offensive play of last weeks game has me back on the edge watching him.
Yeah but is he mid pack because of his coaching ability or because of the lack of a franchise QB? If we had a guy like Manning, Brees, Brady, Ryan, etc. we would likely have three superbowl rings right now. We would have won in 2009 and 2010. Let's look at that list and look at the QB: Bill Bellicheck - Tom Brady Sean Payton - Drew Brees Harbough Bros. - Colin Kaepernick and Joe Flacco Pete Carroll - Russell Wilson Mike Tomlin - Ben Roethlisberger Mike McCarthy - Aaron Rodgers Mike McCoy - Phillip Rivers The only ones left on that list who, as of now, don't really have a franchise QB are Arians and Kelley. It's just not fair to compare these guys to Rex. Rex went to two AFC championship games with Mark fuckin Sanchez as the QB. We need a franchise QB before we can gauge how good Rex really is.
If Rex doesn't give a fuck about the offense how likely is it that we groom a franchise QB under his watch? Franchise QB's don't just happen - it takes the nurturing and support of an entire organization. When a main player in that equation doesn't seem engaged in that effort I wonder how much that reduces the chances of it happening?
I think we as fans are ignorant to Rex's involvement in the offense. To think that he's some buffoon like Rich Kotite is silly and while he has more of a hands off approach he obviously knows something about offense because he game plans against them every week and pretty effectively.
I wouldn't take Kelly, Tomlin or John Harbaugh in NY. Kelly is flavor of the month at this point and he may turn out to be a great coach or he may not. What gets lost in the shuffle with the Eagles is that Foles is a great system QB playing in a very similar system to the Air Raid. If he goes down the Eagles are in a world of hurt because they won't be able to plug just anybody into that system and make it work. Tomlin's Steelers are in the same place the Jets are in terms of talent except they actually already have a franchise QB. You put him coaching the Jets and we're a 5-11 team. John Harbaugh just doesn't have the temperament to be an NFL head coach in a high-pressure environment. He's in SF in a fairly low pressure environment and he's already coming apart at the seams. You put him in this media market with Jets fans expectations and you'll get a nuclear fart in no time at all.
We're ignorant to most everything that goes on at Florham park but that doesn't mean we can't formulate some what of an opinion based on what we do know. Have we seen anything out of the Rex era to indicate he's actively involved in the offense in terms of effectively managing his QB situation? Not much IMO. His tendency to lean on the run game was good early on for Sanchez - that's all I've got. Still waiting for that video of Rex meeting with his QB during the week discussing the opponent or the game plan like we see with other coach/qb combos. I'm not holding my breath.
Rex definitely "gives a fuck" about the offense. To think the head coach of an NFL franchise doesn't, is ridiculous. The problem here is that when a franchise QB is on a team, there isn't the need to pay as much attention to an offense as need be. When Tom Brady or Drew Brees is commanding the offensive unit, there isn't much that needs to be done by a head coach in comparison to Geno Smith. Guys like Harborough thrive running the defense, but they have a guy like Kaepernick who can run the offense on his own with little to no help. People compare Rex to all these guys who have franchise quarterback who don't need to worry about the offense. Brady will run the offense, Flacco will run the offense, Roethlisberger will run the offense, etc etc. Let me ask this. In 2009 and 2010, Rex Ryan was on top of the world when it came to coaching. Everyone was labeling him the next greatest coach. You're telling me in those years he did give a fuck about the offense and now, all of a sudden, he doesn't? Mark Sanchez was a serviceable QB who, if put with a talented team, could take you far into the playoffs. He wasn't a game changer though. When we were successful, we had Schoty running the offense, who with Mark Sanchez, did pretty well. If he was running it with any of the qbs listed above, we would have two more rings. In 2010, it all fell apart because of the lack of talent everywhere. In 2012 Tony Sporano was fuckin horrendous. 2013 we had a rookie QB with a very good offensive coordinator, but now we are finally seeing a growing young QB paired with a good offensive coordinator, and our offense looks great in comparison to 2013. Let's say this continues, now Rex is labeled a great head coach because our offense is thriving? Bullshit. It takes a good offensive coordinator and a good QB to make an offense thrive. It's not the head coach, unless that said head coach runs the offense like Kelley does. But then the argument flips to the other side. Is Kelley a bad coach because he doesn't give a fuck about the defense?
In fairness though, guys like Carroll, Belichick and Tomlin aren't offense guys either. 2 of them literally lucked into their franchise QBs (a 3rd and 6th rounder) and the other inherited one. Sometimes stepping in shit is better than knowing your shit. Then you have guys like McCarthy. Guys is a great coach but let's be real. He's had nothing but Hall-of-Famers manning the QB position for him. Could he have groomed Sanchez the way Rodgers was? That's a completely subjective debate. Do I wish Rex was more offensively astute? Sure. Maybe he has learned from prior mistakes. Geno seems to be making strides under Marty's guidance.
And Bellicheck did? Bellicheck was 47-49 with Cleveland and including the first year in New England without Brady. Brady shows up in 2001 and Bellicheck's record from 2001-present is 158-50. All of a sudden Bellicheck figured out how to run an offense huh?
I can see your point about Tomlin, Kelly I vehemently disagree with. Kelly is revolutionizing the NFL. Vick was excelling last year as their QB before he got injured. Kelly pretty much revamped NE's offense 2 years ago and has his trademark all over the NCAA and the NFL. And I think you mean Jim Harbaugh? He's the one in SF and is a tough SOB. I think he's more upset with his contract than anything.
I don't know what happened in Cleveland or if belichick was engaged in the offense there but I do know that he is very much engaged with the offense in NE.
Again, easy to do when you have Tom Brady running the show. What's he engaged in? Telling Brady to throw to the open receiver?
Vick was 2-4 in that offense with a 54.6% completion percentage. Sanchez will do the same if he's suddenly put in it. Foles is why that system is running as well as it is. He's spent his entire career making 2 reads and short passes and bombing the defense deep when they move up to cover the flats. Yeah, I meant the guy in SF. The guy in Baltimore would probably do about as well with the Jets as Rex is. He'd sell less tickets in the process I think. On the Sanchez point: he's never less comfortable than when he's throwing a short easily completed pass, particularly behind the LOS. He's short compared to Foles and you'd wind up with a bunch of batted passes and a few pick 6's before Kelly gave up and went to option three. If Sanchez ever finds himself it will be in an Erhardt-Perkins that lets him take shots up the seams on a regular basis to open up the running game inside. He's not an accurate enough passer to make a short passing game profitable. The picks will still happen but they will be 30 yards downfield most of the time and the impact will be less severe.
