Head coaches and their future success are so hard to predict because there's so much variability by nature. Some coaches experience immediate success and some coaches need long to experience that same success generally based on the roster. It's tough to evaluate based on their previous roles as well. Norv Turner is considered to be an offensive guru yet has only made the playoffs 4 out of 15 years as a head coach. Three out of those years were in San Diego with Philip Rivers. Mike McCoy was an offensive coordinator for 3 years before becoming the Chargers head coach and I predict they'll make the playoffs again two out of two years. He also was placed with a franchise quarterback in Rivers. All of this variability is offset if there is a stud quarterback in place. That's the one constant in winning franchises outside of consistency in the coaching regime. If Rex was going to be fired it should've been last year or prior to hiring Idzik so Idzik could've drafted according to his own agenda and allow all the younger players in town to grow with a young head coach that isn't set on his ways. As far as I'm concerned we missed the fire Rex ship and it'll do nothing but set this franchise back barring a 2-14 season or something catastrophic.
Ryan has the second best winning percentage in franchise history (not counting Al Groh's one season). The guy hasn't had an established NFL QB for any year of his tenure. I would say he's doing a fine job. Some of his in-game management still needs improvement, but lets not act like the Jets are some sort of juggernaut and Ryan is what's holding them back.
So you are saying that a coach should get a pass because the schedule is tough? If he could get 8 wins with a bad offense last year, then he should be able to coach the team to the playoffs with a better offense, regardless of the schedule. Stop making excuses for Rex, this is the NFL, all teams have similar schedules based on their record of the previous season. We have had 6 years to see what kind of patter has developed with his coaching style. It's not going to change, I beleive inconsistency is what you will see agin from him, but it's only been 2 games so I'm not going to get too crazy about the season.
He certainly isn't holding them back but many people question whether or not he is propelling them forward. He needs to learn to not be so stubborn with his game plan. I like Rex but it's been years of poor in game adjustments to what the offense is doing to the point where it literally looks like he doesn't make them outside of switching up which corner covers who. The blitz isn't working? Let's keep lining up 7 on the line and keep sending them til we get there or give up a huge touchdown. He can't always look to hit the home run blindside strip sack or give up a touchdown. It's gambles that don't always need to be taken and the personnel sometimes dictates what needs to be done. We didn't seem to have a terribly hard time getting to Rodgers with a 4 man rush early on in that game and even when he had time there was no one open but check downs because we had 7 in coverage. Rex starts to blitz and it literally opens up the whole passing game starting with a boat load of stop routes.
I agreed wholeheartedly with everything you said until your last sentence, of which I couldn't disagree more haha I'll just say 2 things. 1) If you acknowledge that the variability is offset if there is a stud quarterback is in place, of which I agree with - doesn't it make sense to have a coach who is either an expert in that position or has the ability to coach up that position? and 2) How much of the consistency in the coaching regimes has to do with winning? suffice to say - are teams that are winning in turn keeping their coaching staff consistent OR are teams that keep their coaching staff consistent - winning because of that? How many teams are keeping their coaches after 3 or 4 years in a row of missing the playoffs and being successful with that plan?
I see what your saying, and I agree that sometimes he can be very stubborn about his defensive play calling. But on the flip side, there have been instances when the team has come out in the second half with and dominated teams (Oakland this year and NE last year are two prime examples). Whether these are halftime adjustments or just motivational ploys, he seems to get the job done. Ryan is not immune from criticism; far from it. But my contention is that he has been a solid head coach who has proven he can win in this league.
Of course it makes sense to have a coach out there that can coach the position if that guy is available. Quarterback gurus often lack the knowledge of the rest of the game to be competent head coaches and seldom have success in the playoffs. Sean Payton seems to be the only exception to this rule and even his team can't win on the road at all really. Quarterback gurus tend to produce top passing offenses that flop in the playoffs. The second question is tough to answer because it seems to me to be a who came first the chicken or the egg type of question as there are no concrete statistics to back up either reasonable response. I can however tell you to look at the Raiders, Browns, Rams, Bills, and Lions and notice the consistency of changing coaches every 2-3 years by having 6 or more head coaches in the last 14 years has done nothing but lead to losing seasons year after year despite having loads of top 10 talent in the draft. I'm not saying Rex should continue to be extended if he misses the playoffs the next 3 years but when there's a talent turnover he needs to be given time with the new talent. This team is being built to compete in 2015 and 2016 after having virtually no shot to win the past two years after recovering from the salary cap hell that got us here. Next year is a year to see us extend our own guys fill in the key positions and really go after it. What does firing Rex & Marty do other than make the team and young quarterback learn new systems in the years we're supposed to be successful. It's detrimental to any team making a serious contention push because the offseason can't be used to tweak the things that went wrong rather learn new terminology and get acquainted with everyone like 15 year olds on their first date.
Strength of schedule is freaking legit . Weather you wanna believe it or not. Who has a better chance of making the playoffs? The Denver Broncos playing in the weak ass afc west? 1 Legit franchise QB in Philip Rivers to go through, and even then his teams average at best?? or the Vikings playing in the nfc north, arguably the toughest division in football this year? With Three legit franchise qb's in place in Cutler, Stafford, and Rodgers with potent offenses...and your team stinks?? its a no brainer really. Again SOS is legit. No Rex doesn't get to just lie down, but you'd have to be crazy to think that the odds wouldn't be stacked aginst him this year. If we made it out of this season at 8-8 it'd think he did a damn good job givin what we have to work with.
I'm not saying you're wrong but to use the AFC West is a pretty poor example when they yielded 3 9-7 teams or better. Every division has one cellar dweller.
I used them as an example because at best SD splits with the broncos. Oakland, KC... swept. I see them going 7-1 in that division basically granting them a playoff spot. I used them to basically show what an established QB does in a division where every other team in said division is struggling to find that guy that can hold them down.
I would say that speaks more to Peyton Manning's dominance than discrediting any of those teams. Everyone's entitled to their opinion though.
I actually agreed with you on strenght of schedule, but you can't use it to make a case for rex, the patriots have had a tougher schedule than the jets for quite some time now, and they manage to do pretty well. But I see you have made yet another excuse for Rex, now he does not have a franchise QB, don't worry man, in about 10 years when haleys comet comes back just maybe he will have all the planets align for him and he will win a SB. Or then again, the comet just might hit earth as the jets finally make the SB and Rex will have another excuse as to why he did not deliver again.
True. The point i was trying to make though is more the likely were closer to KC then we are the Broncos at this point. The fact that payton is even in their division make it that much harder for them to reach their goals... im pretty sure we have felt the same way about BB and Brady in the past. How many division titles do you think we would have been in the run for if bradys ass had not been in the division these last 10 years?
The patriots have a hall of fame QB considered to be top 3 or 4 all time. Whens the last time a non franchise QB won a SB? These aren't excuses, these are facts. Without a qb u dont do crap in this league...FACT. Coaches with Qb's dont get fired. Coaches without QB's go back to being coordinators.
strength of schedule huh? Well add it to the list of excuses that Rex apologists are building up in case this team doesn't make the dance for the 4th year in a row.
Noone needs to tell you because you've already demonstrated what a dolt you are without any help. lol Right, because you say Idzik didn't pay some scrub corner? How the hell do you know if those corners were scrubs? Many of them were sure a helluva lot better than what we currently have. Your post and grammar is so bad I don't even know where to begin. What the hell is a FA HC? Stick to soccer Caneclueless. lol
The fact that you're relying on a message board poll like it's some sort of official indicator is beyond laughable. Learn the English language while you're at it DOLT.
