1985 can be a very stubborn poster. That has been his course of conduct a number of times here. Obviously he's pissed because the Jets did not get the six points. But being pissed does not make for great analysis. I think it likely the Pack would have won the game anyway even if the Jets did get the score there. But that's not the only reason I don't get too excited about that calll. The play was blown dead no matter what happened, and that was that. All the rest is pointless whining.
I agree. Just because in that single play he did get the RB lined up correctly does not prove much. The CS sees Smith all week in practice in addition to seeing game film over and over. Why Smith Fans here think they have seen it established beyond questino that a second year Qb who basically sucked last year and has been inconsistent at best this year is some proven star, and that the CS should share their "recognition", is merely over optimistic hyperbole.
Yeah I've had these arguments with 1985 that involved using reason and logic a few times over the past year and it always is entertaining to see him either twist himself into an illogical pretzel or plain refuse to understand the obvious. +1000. _
In my opinion, it's situations like this where if you see Geno lining everyone up properly (which is what he was doing), you have to let Geno go and avoid calling the TO. That's where trust is gained. Situations like this can't be replicated in practice. If Marty says, "Geno has full command of the huddle" throughout the off-season - then lets see what he can do. Allowing him to make these decisions give Geno confidence as well as the offense in general.
Nothing in your general proposition here is controversial. But whether Smith already has achieved a level of command that establishes he is entitled to the deference that has been suggested here is, well, a matter of some controversy.
On the whole I would call 1985 a mostly good poster here, but that is one of his deficiencies. I have had the same experience, more than once. Heh. Some people come here to discuss things in the true sense of the word. Maybe test the basis for one's views when one sees how others assess those views, and offer countering views for consideration. Others come here to expound on their point of view and stick by it no matter what response is given. I am not sure what motivates such posters. At least some of the time 1985 is that kind of poster.
Marty said yesterday, "I need to trust Geno more" I think the team will perform better but first that level of trust MUST be established. It clearly wasn't last Sunday.
No where does the rule state that the referee is required to confirm who is calling the time out when the act of confirming who was calling it would distract the referee from doing their on field job of watching the play and other on field duties. Can you for one second imagine the chaos that would occur if the referee had to turn their attention from the field every time they heard something that even sounded like time out in order to see who was "calling it"? Do you know how many coaches would encourage players to say something that sounds like time out at key moments to distract an official so that the team could try to sneak something by? If the rule was to be verified by the official there would be a penalty involved for falsely calling a time out through improper means, but there isn't...not even a fine from the front office of the NFL. The rule is there without penalty to give the referees cover in that they only HAVE to listen to the head coach or player on the field. But the entire argument is a red herring argument, these things happen all the time. What is relevant is that the one person on the sideline who was authorized by the rules to have their time outs honored wasn't paying attention to the field, wasn't paying attention to the offense and was on the defensive headset....It is irresponsibility on the sidelines that led to the fiasco. If Rex is paying attention then Marty isn't running up the sideline shouting time out and there is ZERO chance of confusion with the referees. ZERO. Of course if Marty doesn't panic because the initial line up is wrong it doesn't happen either. the dysfunction wasn't with the referees, it was with the Jets coaching staff.
if you don't trust him enough to monitor the lineup of players then you shouldn't trust him to make audibles and you shouldn't trust him to read plays as they progress and therefore he shouldn't be starting if you don't trust him to do these basic things. So either Marty panicked or he doesnt' trust Geno, if he doesn't trust Geno then Geno shouldn't be starting...
It's obvious that 1985 doesn't understand who the rule is imposed on. It's not a rule imposed on a ref--there are no game rules imposed on refs. They can't be penalized in a game, asked to wear their hat backwards for 3 plays or drop their pants as if they didn't hit it past the red tees. It's a rule imposed on the team to call TO's in an authorized manner or suffer the consequences. When you think about it--we could have been penalized (more than losing the timeout) for calling an unauthorized TO--I'm wondering if the NFL institutes a rule in the future actually penalizing the team yardage or a loss of down for an unauthorized TO call. 1985 is steadfast that the refs need to INTERPRET the rule such that if it wasn't called in the authorized manner, the Jets should be rewarded for their unauthorized action with (i) the TD, (ii) a do-over like in the school yard or (iii) another TO. That the refs should have huddled up after, looked at the tape and said--"see, it WASN'T Rex you idiot--now lets make this right for them". He just doesn't get that it's not a rule imposed on a ref or that the refs need not interpret it (in the manner he thinks they should). They just call it and let the chips fall where they may. _
This is all a bs argument about trust. You can GENERALLY trust someone, but think in specific situations they need help. In this situation my understanding is that Powell was initially not lined up properly. If Marty saw that and was concerned enough about it, should he merely COUNT on his second year Qb in his second game of the season (and how many times did they run this play from this set before?) to get it right? Players you have general confidence in can make mistakes from time to time. Being a coach is not a matter of saying "I have confidence him now, so I don't need to worry about him or see what he is doing!" Your analysis is binary and simplistic.
It is worth noting that there IS a penalty for calling a time out you don't have, 15 yards, or calling back to back timeouts on the same deadball period, 15 yards, but there is NO Penalty for the wrong person calling the time out. In all other cases where there is a time out infraction there is a listed penalty.....EXCEPT in the case of an unauthorized person calling the time out...wonder why that is.....maybe because it's a guideline and not an enforceable rule.
Almost every argument in this thread is a BS argument because they all distract from the real problem, lack of communication on the sidelines. it all boils down to the fact that if Rex was in the right channel and paying attention to the game then NONE of this is an issue. He's a head coach, not a defensive coordinater....although he keeps making mistakes like that he'll be a DC somewhere next year.
I'm tired of hearing the jets blew the lead...yeah they did but then they tied the gamed that's the damn point Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
