Everyone who want's to blame the refs is delusional, the situation isn't there if Rex isn't on the defensive channel and is actually paying attention to what's happening on the field and IF Marty doesn't panic because the initial setup is wrong. No one is responsible for that crap except the coaching staff, and that falls on Rex because he's in charge of the sidelines....
The rule is cut and dried but you still don't understand what it means. ONLY the HC is PERMITTED to call the TO. No one else (other than a player on the field) is AUTHORIZED to call a TO. Someone OTHER than the HC called the TO. The ref is under NO obligation to confirm who called the timeout in the situation at hand, he blew the whistle and the play was officially and forever dead at that moment. No TD, no do-over. That's the JETS screwup, NOT the refs. The JETS violated the rule and for that they LOST the TO that THEY called in an unauthorized action. Giving them back the TO would be rewarding the JETS for violating the rule. The Ref didn't violate a rule, the ref called a TO that under the circumstances he was fully authorized to do because he was under NO obligation to confirm it was the HC. We got screwed alright. By our coaching staff and a player who either did not know the rule (which is on the staff) or purposefully ignored it. This is 100% on the Jets and only the Jets and the refs had zero culpability. _
[quote"abyzmul, post: 3063472, member: 479"]That sure excuses it.[/quote] There was nothing to excuse
Honestly, it sucked. But I think maybe you're making a bigger deal out of Rex's role in it than necessary. MM let the pressure get to him and panicked, not giving Geno time to make the adjustment on his own, which he did anyway. If anything, this proves Geno shouldn't be babied in situations like that one. If Rex was listening, and called the TO, the same exact thing would have happened, wouldn't it? Or TO would have been called literally as Geno adjusted where Powell was lined up, but before the snap. It still would have been a wasted TO, with the identical outcome... Marty would have been equally as embarrassed, and the play still might have happened and not counted.
I've never said that the timeout at that moment was well advised, far from it. But the execution of the entire situation was the fault of the Jets, and not the refs. The refs deserved a shit ton of criticism for the way they called that game, but in this case they did their jobs correctly.
I think the rule is there so that if a ref is looking at anyone other than the HC and that person attempts to call the TO, the ref will not honor that request. He'll only honor a request from the HC. But in this instance, because the clock was running down and he had turned his attention to the field, per NFL guidelines he is not supposed to turn around to see who is yelling in his ear. He calls the TO. Btw, if that had been an INT we would have gotten the benefit of the TO. Should we also have gotten the TO back because it was Richardson who called it? Of course not. _
Here's my thoughts: 1- Jets should have been penalized 15 yards for calling an illegal timeout (Chris Weber anyone?) 2-I have no prob with Rex on the D-channel after the play was agreed to and sent in. 3- I have no prob with Rex and MM 15 yards apart. MM was with the O, Rex with the D. 4- Who knew the coaches used different channels? Possible solutions: How many times have we seen a HC frantically screaming and running down the sidelines begging for a TO but the Ref just doesn't see/hear him, so yeah, maybe a buzzer would work there. Slap a big red STAPLES button on the side of his squawk box he can start banging on whenever he wants a TO. Tossing a 2nd flag like a challenge flag is dumb. If the ref can't see/hear a HC frantically waving and screaming for a TO, how's he going to see a cum sock tossed on the field behind him? Unless video replay will be used to confirm "The cum sock was tossed b/4 the snap". (how long before we have an slow-mo instant replay of the ball being snapped with a close up of the cum sock leaving the coaches fingers?) As a minimum, all coordinators should be able to talk to the coach no matter what channel he's on. MM should have a panic button on the side of his hip box he can use to cut in on whatever channel Rex is using, if only to ask for a TO when they're 15 yards apart and it VERY loud.
my final thought on this is, if the t.d. would have stood and the jets tie the game, is there anyone who truly believes we were going to stop rodgers from going right back down the field for the win? anyone?
It was funny, posters here after the game were screaming that (i) Richardson's voice sounds nothing like Rex's and (ii) the Ref knew that distinction. In all that noise. _
I certainly agree the refs don't deserve blame for this particular situation. I'm saying I don't think Rex really does either.
Why are you repeating the rule I know the rule. Only the head coach can call a timeout from the sidelines. Why are you repeating this? There are no rules in place to govern what the ref should do in the event someone other than the head coach calls a timeout in similar situations. The ref made a judgement call and you agree with his call. Since there is no cut and dry rule for situations like that it's open to interpretation (when technically it shouldn't) and if the Jets violated the rule then so did the ref.
The offense is still on the field he's in charge of the entire team. Not just the defense. The team is in a critical 4th down situation Rex as the head coach needs to be paying attention to the offense.
I repeat because you just don't understand who the rule applies to or you are simply refusing to do so. The ref didn't violate the rule. The rule does not apply to the ref. The rule applies to the Jets. The Jets violated the rule, not the ref. The ref made the proper call under the NFL guidelines set forth that say the ref should not look away from the field to confirm who made the TO call. There is no room for interpretation. I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you too. _
Actually I think the rule means that a referee only has to honor a time out called by a HeadCoach or player on the field, but it does not require the referee to confirm that it was the head coach that called the time out. But again, it ignores the fact that it was the Jets who were so disorganized on the sidelines that they couldn't communicate. Ryan had his head on the defense and removed himself from being able to interact with the offense at a critical time on the field. and it was Marty that panicked. If Marty doesn't panic the timeout is never called from the sideline, if Ryan is paying attention to the field and has the offensive headset on when the OFFENSE is on the field and driving to the endzone then the correct person can call timeout because he can HEAR the need for the time out. Blaming the ref is like blaming a rash for your allergies.
