Patrick Turner has 122 career yards as a receiver. His best season was 8 catches for 96 yards. I know your not a numbers guy but please explain to me where this supposed success happened? You can't bash someone for saying a QB makes players around him better and then talk about Patrick Turner and the word success in the same sentence and expect to be taken seriously. Turner was a draft bust by the Miami Dolphins, the Dolphins, the Jets signed, he did nothing for us and was mainly used in a blocking role. He experienced ZERO success in the NFL, that is why he doesn't have a job anymore in the NFL. Patrick Turner was a bad player. He was from the time he stepped into the NFL till his last game in the NFL. Those are just your opinions on Floyd then. I can say that about anybody Mark Sanchez threw to as well. Cotchery should have caught 80+ balls in 2009, Braylon should have caught 80+ balls in 2010. See? Doesn't make my statement correct or even fair. I didn't say Rivers turned Floyd into anything, but if you don't think having Rivers throwing you the football helps out a player oppose to having a guy like Mark Sanchez throw you the football you simply don't get it. Phillip Rivers is a better player, even having this discussion is absurd. You don't know who made the call on Sanchez. Rex was clearly coming to the end of his rope in 2012 with Mark. He pulled Sanchez from the Cardinals game and McElroy got a start against SD, he would have started the last game to but he got a concussion. Everything was starting to come to a head at the end of 2012 while Tannenbaum still had a job. And of course Tannenbaum was going to do everything in his power to make it work with Mark. 1. He traded up to draft him 5th overall. 2. Before that year even started he signed Sanchez to an extension. If he told Woody after that season that Mark was no good he probably gets fired on the spot. Luckily Woody was smart enough to make that call anyway. Brought in a GM who appears to have a clue, brought in a well respected OC, and neither one had to have thought much of Mark as a player. If they did there is a good chance he would probably still be here.
Again, not saying he is good just noting the only recs he has in the NFL came from Mark. different offenses and yes Cotch could be an 80 catch guy but he played 1 season with him where he was a rookie and didn't throw a lot and year 2 we had a bunch of weapons and Cotch was hurt. I think any good QB will help receivers but I can't stand this notion that these QBs make these WRs. I get sick of hearing how Peyton made this guy and that guy and now reading the same w/ Rivers. It's nonsense. Sure they help but these guys are talented WRs, it wouldn't help w/ what Mark had in 2012. I know how Rex feels and felt about Mark. Our old GM who didn't have a clue built teams that got closer to a SB than we have since SB III.
I didn't say they "make them", I said "Rivers makes players around him better". There's a difference. I'm not discrediting the talent of an individual player. He had a couple of good early drafts, then spent a ton of money in FA and thru trades (Favre, Braylon). But he was constantly looking to acquire the next big FA or big trade and the foundation beneath him crumbled. We were constantly up against the cap. You can make the case that he's the biggest reason Sanchez failed. If he wasn't so enthralled with players like Asomugha he might have been able to keep us in better cap shape which was his back round. Instead we were constantly moving around money to stay under the cap and couldnt help out areas of need through FA anymore and had to rely on drafts. When you strike out in the draft like he started to do later on in his tenure that spells doom. Yes he put this team closer to winning a SB then any coach/GM in recent memory but he's also responsible for the teams downfall IMO. Rex probably has to take some blame for that too but Rex is still a good coach and leader which is all that matters. That's why Tannenbaum had to go. Idzik is clearly taking a different approach, he's trying to build a team with a solid foundation capable of sustaining real long term success. Not a team that has a quick 3 year window to win it all. I like Idzik's plan better but only time will tell. At the end of the day its about results.
There are different ways to build teams. His way got us to the doorstep of the SB then we had to tear away the team. I hope Idzik's way gets us through to SBs and we sustain success. We'll see. I think the offseason after the 2010 season doomed Tannenbaum, sanchez and our franchise for a few years.
It absolutely did. To many key contributors to that team were allowed to walk away while Tannenbaum and probably Rex as well to be fair, chased after Asomugha so they could have in their minds "the greatest set of corners ever assembled". Meanwhile Big Wood was not brought back and retired, Braylon was allowed to walk, Jericho was allowed to leave, Brad Smith. Even guys like Coleman and Dwight Lowery who were real solid contributors on D were allowed to leave or be traded away. The depth the Jets had was gone. A lot of those players were not replaced well enough. Mason was a huge mistake, especially over Cotchery. I think they were flirting with Mason and kinda disrespecting Cotchery at the same time and he asked to be released, they underrated him as a player. Burress was fine but had clearly lost a step or two and was at the end of his career. If your gonna let Edwards walk thats fine but go get someone better. Burress was a good player inside the 20, outside of that he had issues. Tannenabaum has talked about letting Brad Smith go being a mistake and has said he went after Tebow cause they thought he could fill that role. It was obviously a disaster.
What happened in 2011 was almost inevitable. Too many aging stars on the team, not enough good young players, a couple of key players on the team who were going to turn into problems (Sanchez and Revis) and a couple of players who had some value as a roleplayer but were about to be outright disasters when thrust into a starting role (Wayne Hunter and Eric Smith). That's why you don't add vets to a team to get to the championship level. You add those guys to get over the hump once you are already at a championship level.
I agree for the most part, the only thing I don't agree about is Cotch. Something weird happened there, he wanted out. I don't think we wanted to let him go.
Santonio Holmes was the problem in my opinion. We should have kept Braylon (find eventual replacement) Keller and Cotch. Those guys played hard for Sanchez and helped make plays.
And what were the entire team doing the first 57 minutes then? Jets were trailing by then. What makes you think Jets could get that go-ahead TD? Hint: They just failed 4th and goal from 1 yard line. Of course - quite obviously, the score DEFENSE gave up by then is 17. Jets SHOULD be up by 2. UNLESS some moron did something spectacularly stupid like fumbling the ball for a TD.
outside of postseason it probably was and Holmes was not playing those games. I don't think he had an INT until the Denver game.
so the game goes exactly as it did if we don't fumble for the TD? AGAIN, if we don't it's 4th down deep in our territory. the chances are pretty good Pitt at least gets a FG and the game is 20-0 instead of 24-3 at the half. The D failed is in the biggest spot. In 2012 when Bal made their run their D had to get a late stop on Den if they were to have a shot. They gave their O the ball back and they scored in much tougher circumstances than we faced. Our D failed to even give our O a shot. They could have given up 1 1st down and still given our O a shot but they couldn't do it which is why they were never a big time D. Good/very good but not great.
I don't think we wanted to let him go either. I'm pretty sure I remember Rex saying in a PC that off season that they didn't. But I think he felt slighted by the Jets in some way. He was a very solid, dependable receiver. I'll say this in Sanchez's defense. It didn't help him any to have so much turnover at the skill positions. Can't argue that. But it did look like Edwards career was basically over by that point anyway, he had a knee issue and was never the same. Cotchery is the one I just dont get. He was so good and underrated. But if we weren't in cap hell, we may have been able to rectify that issue going into 2012 and get Sanchez another dependable receiver to pair with Holmes. Instead we had to throw Stephen Hill into the fire way to quickly then a project player should have been.
I think they could have got the go ahead TD because they were moving the ball in the second half. Pittsburgh last possession was mostly Ben scrambling keeping plays alive. I think if the Jets stopped him and get the ball back, they win. They would have had all the momentum
