No, he's a back up now because, as a first round pick, he was a huge disappointment for the team that drafted him and they cut him. The fact that you think he'd still be the starter if he never got hurt last year is based on nothing more than your wishes . . .There is ZERO evidence to support the notion that the Jets would have been any better with Mark as their QB last season.
fortunately I have asked many connected to the NFL similar questions. I still give my own opinions but they have helped to reinforce what I believe.
Why don't you ask them whether they would take Sanchez over Rivers? Please conduct a poll among your many NFL contacts. We'd all love to see the results.
Did any of them explain why, then, did no team sign Sanchez to be their starting QB but Rivers is still a starter? Or is the opinion of your contacts that the only team that would keep Rivers as a starter over Sanchez is the Chargers?
the man was coming off a serious injury to his throwing shoulder and was released a month into FA. had he been released before the beginning of FA he would be starting somewhere today. I never said any of them said they would take Sanchez over Rivers, never discussed it but have discussed Sanchez.
I have asked many people connected to the proctology and colorectal examination industries. And they look at me like I'm an asshole.
Maybe not 14 but he wins more then 8 which is what Mark won for us. Even Kellen Clemons won a game that year lol. There is absolutely no comparison between Phillip Rivers and Mark Sanchez. It's night and day. Rivers is one of the better QB's in the league. He commands an offense, is featured highly in the offense because he is really good. He has never been hidden. Mark Sanchez has been hidden many times in his offense. Many times. Rivers makes players around him better. How can people compare him to a guy who was never any better then a bottom half QB? Even in Rivers "lean" years, he still knew how to manage a game and keep his tunrovers to a minimum. Mark Sanchez has thrown more interceptions in his career then he has touchdowns. He never made anybody around him better. Having poor talent around you or great talent around you doesn't excuse poor decision making. Sanchez makes poor decisions. Andrew Luck didn't have great offensive talent around him last year. But what separates a guy like him from a guy like Sanchez besides just overall ability is his decision making. You didn't see Luck throw 20 INT's just because Reggie Wayne got hurt. Yes talent was taken away from him over the years (because our GM who traded up and drafted him in the first place put us in cap hell), but thats not an excuse for his career to just fall apart. "Oh well we decided to let Braylon Edwards walk so thats just an excuse to just fall apart". There is not a single GM who would take Sanchez over Rivers. That would not happen. There is a reason Tannenbaum was fired, we are on our 3rd OC since Rex was hired, and the Jets ended up giving up on him. Sanchez is not the sole reason, but he is a big one. If Mark Sanchez was this "gem" that the Jets stupidly threw away then how come he isn't starting anywhere right now? He's a backup QB in a town that loves their backup QB's (just like NY to be fair) and always wants to see them. Could Chip Kelly turn his career around? He could, he's a brilliant offensive mind but it doesn't mean the Jets were wrong for moving on from him. I seriously doubt his career continues on in Philly however. If he wants to start he will most likely have to do it somewhere else, and that will be the true test. If reports are true he was smart to not want to go to St. Louis after Bradford got hurt. They don't have the talent Philly has, nor the offensive mind and Sanchez would have most likely played the same way there that he did here and would be gone from there after the year with his career in dire straights at that point. Sanchez as a backup QB this year can rebuild his profile more then he could if he took over for the Rams. I will say this though, if Sanchez does turn his career around, it's a huge indictment on Brian Schottenheimer and Rex as well. We knew Sparano sucked and corrected that mistake quickly but we stuck with Schotty for a long time.
yeah b/c we wouldn't have won in TB w/o Clemens. Rivers is not one of the better QBs in the league, he is one of the most overrated in league history b/c of the explosion of fantasy football and lazy, average fans and "experts" evaluating based on fantasy stats. who does Rivers make better exactly? let me know when any of those guys have Sparano as OC, Tebow to distract and Chaz Schilens starting then we can compare apples to apples. The reason Tannenbaum was fired was b/c of the lack of talent around the QB more than anything. He's not starting b/c he was released a month after FA began, if not he would have had a # of opportunities to start. Chip Kelly is a brilliant offensive mind and he made Mark a priority even though they had a high draft pick from last year as a backup- that should tell you all you need to know. Mark was good under Schottenheimer, his career spiraled downhill post 2011 and he was being resurrected last year prior to the injury. Now completely healthy he was the best QB in eagles camp.
hahahaha, seriously? Who did Sanchez make better, exactly? How would we even know? Do you ever stop pulling meaningless points - points that have no bearing on the discussion at hand - out of your ass? Mark was terrible down the stretch of 2011. Do you have a brain disorder?
I didn't say mark made anyone better though he has helped guys but who has Rivers made better? he has had top 5-10 weapons almost his entire career. Did he make Vincent Jackson? isn't it interesting w/ awful QB plat Jackson has been more productive in TB than he ever was w/ Rivers? you guys like to make things up that sound good. he was terrible down the stretch in 2011 as was every part of our team. 3 of his top 5 weapons in 2011 were out of football after that season.
Oh, so Rivers has to make guys better but Sanchez doesn't? Who has Sanchez "helped?" Do you have any logic or evidence to support the (obviously fabricated) notion that Sanchez has "helped" more players than Rivers has helped? What did bringing this "point" up do for your argument other than possibly distract people from the reality that you HAVE NO ARGUMENT? So, because the rest of the team was terrible, he gets a pass? How does this support your silly contention that his career didn't start spiraling downwards until AFTER 2011? What happened to "NO EXCUSES?"
You struggle w/ reading comprehension. where did I say Sanchez has helped more guys? answer my question first. who are all these players Rivers made better? he still had a good year overall in 2011. 2012 he was awful then the injury in 2013. you want to say the Philly game started the spiral? if that makes you feel better go ahead.
Like usual, you are missing the point entirely. Why does it matter who Rivers has "helped" if Sanchez hasn't "helped" any more players than Rivers has? In other words, as per usual, there is no LOGIC behind your argument. Or, put another way, your argument . . . doesn't go anywhere. And regardless, I don't think there is any objective way for us to know whether or not either quarterback has HELPED other players or not. I think the point you made up is a lame attempt at distracting us from the reality that you have ZERO legitimate points of contention in this hopelessly silly qb comparison. This point is just a distraction. It means NOTHING. And even if we try and draw some (very tenuous) conclusions from your silly argument, they don't exactly help your case. Holmes had his best year in Pittsburgh with Big Ben. Edwards had his best year in Cleveland. But . . .so what? None of that MEANS ANYTHING. No, he was mediocre at best and he was absolutely terrible down the stretch. The Miami game alone was an utter embarrassment.
Oh, I see your point now!!!! You're right, Sanchez helps so many more players than Rivers does . . .since he gets to see the entire game from the bench. He has a great view. It's such an opportunity to evaluate everything. Such great advice for his teammates. Such a great guy.
but you guys are telling me about all these played he MADE better so I am asking who they are? you don't have an answer so now you are deflecting.
since you struggle w/ reading I will help. another poster wrote: "Rivers makes players around him better" so I asked which players does he make better? I can't seem to get an answer from our friendly average fans that look at QB ratings alone.
