Sanchez Kicking Ass In Philly

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  1. jcass10

    jcass10 Well-Known Member

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    You have a link to that? That would be an interesting development, unlikely though.
     
  2. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    Sanchez is now the future of Eagles?

    It keeps getting better and better.
     
  3. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Future Nacho Waiter
     
  5. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    Mark's biggest problem was always his inability to handle pressure. He was always, without question, one of the very worst quarterbacks in the league against the blitz (Statistics, the bane of any Sanchez fan's existence, support this reality). He just always struggled to make quick, timely, and prudent decisions with the football when under duress. Yeah, his accuracy and field vision always sucked. But both of those (admittedly glaring) problems paled in comparison to his inability to handle pressure.

    As a result, I always felt that Sanchez's biggest issues were overwhelmingly mental/psychological in nature and not physical. I always got the impression that the expectations got to him (this is one of the reasons that I, along with many others on this message board, wrote as early as 2011 that he desperately needed either a change of scenery, to sit for awhile, or both).

    If he ever gets to play for an extended period of time in Philly (or anywhere else for that matter) in games that actually count, I will be very interested to see how he performs.
     
  6. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Mark has issues to overcome no doubt about it, most QBs struggle when under pressure. That is what Ds try to do. when mark had talent around him he succeeded, when Chaz Schilens was starting he was awful. he has talent and an offensive mind around him now and he was the best QB in eagles camp.
     
  7. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    I guess when it comes to your hero, you just can't help but embarrass yourself.

    The first link:

    Kelly on benching Sanchez: "We didn't talk about that"

    The second link: Mike Florio (of all people) SPECULATING on Sanchez taking over for Foles one day. Those are some serious 'rumblings.'

    hahaha. wow. just wow.

    P.S. By the way, in the game that Foles struggled in (he had two costly fumbles on sacks), he finished 27-45 for 322 yards with 2 TDs and 1 INT and his team scored 34 unanswered points after trailing 17-0 (When was the last time the Jets did anything like that with Sanchez at the helm?). Mark Sanchez has only thrown for more yards 4 times in his entire 60+ game career. And both Foles' completion percentage as well as his TD/INT ratio for that game are markedly better than Mark's equivalent averages over the course of his entire career. So, Nick's poor opening day performance was still significantly superior to a prototypical Sanchez performance. But, keep dreaming, Junc. I know it's fun.
     
  8. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    He sucked ass long before Chad Schilens. He just had a better team around him to help hide and diminish the ultimate implications of his mediocrity.
     
  9. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    the point is in week 1 it was already being discussed as a possibility.

    when did Mark ever play in a Chip Kelly offense w/ that talent around him? when did he ever had McCoy and Sproles out of the backfield?

    it will suck watching him win w/ another team but Jet "fans" like you will deserve it.
     
  10. Dierking

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    The "No Excuses" sweatshirt is priceless.
     
  11. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    1) Being discussed as a "possibility" by the likes of Mike Florio means absolutely nothing and has no relevant bearing on the issue at hand. Mindless, baseless speculation is mindless, baseless speculation . . . ESPECIALLY since the "poor" performance by Foles was considerably more productive than a typical Sanchez outing.

    2) Watching Mark win big with another team won't hurt at all, because I will be waking up shortly afterwards. It's not happening unless he's on an absolutely stacked team or unless he gets a lot better. Despite your ongoing delusions, there is simply no evidence to suggest that he will be anything more than a career backup. I know it hurts. I'm sorry :(. But hey, at least your hero is rich . . . right?
     
  12. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    don't confuses excuses w/ facts. mark's lone bad year came when:

    -Sparano as OC
    -Tebow here to distract
    -top 2 weapons barely played
    -had no depth
    -Chaz Schielns who was rumored to be cut in camp eventually starting(has not been able to get back into league since)
     
  13. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    of course, guys plugged in to the league never have any idea what is going on.

    the benching part was based on the 1st half not the entire game and stats tell part of the story. some day you may realize this.

    he won big here and wasn't on an "absolutely stacked team"

    some of us know more than others
     
  14. Zach

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    1. Other than Joe Cool, I have never seen a single QB that excelled under pressure. NONE. Joe Cool won 4x SB while losing none for a reason. [And he had to pull off these "comeback wins" quite often while at that.] For this reason, I always call these "This QB sucks under pressure" rant bullshit. 100% of the time. Watch how Peyton got demolished during last SB. That applies to Nacho too. Given sufficient talent and protection, he should be able to do sufficient job as well. [And Russell Wilson wilts under pressure too. If Nacho didn't melt down and turn the ball over like he always did, Rex could have been 9-0 against the rooks instead of 8-1; Marshawn carried that game instead since Wilson was ineffective.]

    2. This was my initial suspicion as well; Sanchez needed time to heal first. Looks like he got just that in Philly. I wasn't surprised to see Sanchez doing relatively well in Philadelphia. He was healthy first and foremost, and he wasn't shackled by morons a la Brian Schottenheimer and Tony Sparano. [That is the Offensive coordinator equivalent of Dumb and Dumber.] Also he has weapons and protections, which he didn't have in New York. [In that regard, T-Bomb literally bombed the hell out of Sanchez.]

    3. Even during the short stint, Sanchez showed a marked improvement last summer over his past performances; that is, with his injury still bugging him. I've been quite vocal over these issues - that Jets shouldn't have drafted Geno and instead fixed up the defense first. A backup QB as an insurance policy would have served the purpose well last year. Hell, Jets survived 20+ turnover from the rookie QB to pull off 8-8. You think any backup QB worth his salt could do worse? Sanchez playing the year out would have looked pretty bad, but if he did get injury and was forced to sit out the rest of the season? Things would have been markedly different this draft.

    4. And this draft featured better batch of QB prospects. AND WE ALL KNEW ABOUT IT YEARS AGO. Not a knock on Geno, but if he came out during this year's draft, he would have been out of top five, to put it generously. If Sanchez did bomb the season, Jets would have had a real shot at good QB prospects like Bortles. [But if Sanchez did stay throughout the season, that probably means Jets did either 8-8 or better. I just don't see how Sanchez finishes the season and Jets bomb the season. Even during the worst days, Rex still managed to get 6 wins out of completely ineffective Sanchez.]

    All in all, I think Sanchez is more than career backup. He will be a slightly above-average starter with right personnel group. When he was with the Jets, his GM was completely clueless without a vision, and his OC was dumber than a fucking doorknob. [That means BOTH of them.]
     
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  15. slimjasi

    slimjasi Well-Known Member

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    1) I have no qualms or reservations about openly questioning Mike Florio's collective NFL wisdom. LOL

    2) He made it to two AFC championship games as the irrefutable (among those who aren't hopelessly biased and/or delusional . . . sorry Junc) weakness of the team.

    3) It's not really a matter of "knowing" more than others. It's a matter of being fair, objective, and not completely out of touch with reality.
     
  16. slimjasi

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    The proof will be in the pudding. IF/WHEN he starts for an extended period of time, let's see how he does. Right now, he's firmly resigned to being the backup quarterback on one of the more explosive offenses in football. Of course, he's one injury away from all the pressure being right back on him. We'll see.
     
  17. Dierking

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    Technically, for those of us who have a command of the English language, that would be "Five Excuses." Although the last three are generally the same.
     
  18. Zach

    Zach Well-Known Member

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    The only QB [that I watched in my lifetime] that rose from the ashes of rotten talent all around him to a premier QB stardom was Peyton Manning; and even he had Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James to help him out. He needed time to 1. fix up the OL and 2. fix up the defense. Once he got that, he could win the SB.
    I don't really think Sanchez can convert otherwise 2-14 team to 10-win team like Peyton did, but to say he is a career backup because he can't make a chicken salad out of chicken shit is an utter bullshit. Career backups do not lead last minute comeback wins. Period. [Sanchez did that a few times in his short career already.]
     
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  19. nyjunc

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    they are 5 facts.
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Peyton never did that. he inherited a 3-13 team and led them to 3-13 before they started winning.
     

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