Can fans be patient with Idzik's approach?

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  1. PennyRoyal10

    PennyRoyal10 Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I'll be patient as long as every draft pick this year makes the Pro Bowl and every FA signs one year 'prove it' contracts for way below market value...
     
  2. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    How realistic and well thought out.

    We should swap your strategy with Idzik's and jump on the Super Bowl train in no time.
     
  3. LongIslandBlitz

    LongIslandBlitz Well-Known Member

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    What did you get for your birthday?a John Idzik blow up doll with three holes and a can of lube?or a new keyboard for your parents shitty dusty glass screen computer 36,000 posts and countless hours of man porn had to leave its mark
     
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  4. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I'll be patient as long as PennyRoyal10 makes at least 5 realistic posts in the next 6 months.
     
  5. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I know it's unrealistic, but I think I'll go with your life goal of being top 5 in likes. What odds do you give me? And don't let me keep you from that amazing macaroni paper plate project you are struggling with.
     
  6. PennyRoyal10

    PennyRoyal10 Well-Known Member

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    I thought the first part was obviously sarcasm, but just in case it wasn't, I sweetened the pot with the second part. I will work on this going forward...
     
  7. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    You get the benefit of the doubt.
     
  8. Cman69

    Cman69 The Dark Admin, 2018 BEST Darksider Poster

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    Back on point, I have the patience to give Idzik time to build a consistent winner. This comes from being a fisherman which by definition, requires patience. It also comes from 45 years of watching this team spin its wheels. We tried quick fix and that didn't work. We tried clown show and that didn't work either.

    Now I don't know if Idzik is the right man, but his approach is sound. It may take another year or even 3 to get this team on a solid enough footing on both sides of the ball.

    Jet Fans shouldn't try to see things that just aren't there yet. That leads to disappointment and this fanbase already has had plenty of that. For once, we need to take our time and FINALLY get it right. No quick fixes, no clown show, no more nonsense. Run the franchise with class and dignity.
     
  9. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Patience is hard to come by in this situation, C.

    Especially less than a week before our opening kickoff.

    If you don't consider our CB situation to be a clown show at this point, what is it?
     
  10. LongIslandBlitz

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    For your birthday when you blew out the candles what did you wish for?and did your dissapointed folks get you the dick shaped cake you were begging for?
     
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    Clicking on this thread is like pulling the sticky pages of an old magazine open and then realizing it's jizz.
     
  12. kevmvp

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    It's a little silly to think we don't have a problem with our CB situation. But I think Idzik has been more unlucky in this area this off season as oppose to stupid. I still think he played it right with not going after the guys he passed on.

    McDougle torn ACL, Patterson going AWOL, Milliner high ankle sprain, Allen switches to CB, looks pretty good against the Giants and then gets dropped with a concussion.

    The Jets were not bringing Revis back. Short of throwing big time money at an overrated corner like DRC I don't know what people wanted Idzik to do. Talib signed for 6 years at $57 million with 26 of it guaranteed. That's a huge number.

    They could have drafted one earlier then they did I guess. But then it comes down to whether or not you'd rather have a corner over Calvin Pryor or Jace Amaro. I think everyone is pretty happy with the Pryor pick and it was no secret going into and coming out of last year that the Jets needed more skill position players on offense.

    Maybe McDougle was a mistake but i'm not going to start picking apart his draft philosophy, the Jets obviously identified him as the best corner still on the board at that point and went with him. He got hurt, it happens. You might be able to argue that he shouldnt have gone with a guy who missed his final season due to injury but the injury he sustained in college and the one he sustained in TC with the Jets are unrelated. I just think this is more bad luck then anything else.
     
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  13. NYJetsO12

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    It's been 2 years by my count and I give him a grade of B+. His biggest successes include drafting some decent,not great players, such as Geno and including a DROY M.Wilkerson. He helped build a top 10 defense. Idzik is also advised by a terrible scouting department and neglects good offensive prospects in favor of defensive players Rex likes.
    Does better in FA with big pickups in CJ, Ivory, Vick, Decker. Drafted a CB, McDougle with history of injuries and next thing you know, guy gets injured. Decided that Geno Smith is our Franchise QB, but this certainly remains questionable. Passed up on Jimmie Garappolo, IMO an NFL ready QB with big upside by sticking with Smith.
    "Solved" our CB with the likes of Patterson. Refuses to spend money on high priced players with short term potential, wants to save it for players like Kerley whose contracts are coming due soon( good philosophy, but takes it to extreme, and buys us scrap heap players?..bit arrogant here) Should take some responsibility for the CB mess and his penurious attitude with the Cap money. Probably believes we can win plenty of games without a good CB and MAY be right.

    All in all, a mixed bag for Mr. Idzik but more upside than bad.
     
  14. Bellows1

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    I wonder if just for a few days we could stop acting like fucking 12 year olds.
     
  15. Jetsfansince95

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    THIS man I've been on here for a year and 70% of the posts are hate and poking fun/being rude... the other about football
     
  16. Br4d

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    John Idzik has worked for 3 teams in the NFL before the Jets. All 3 got to the Super Bowl in close proximity to his employment with them.

    He's seen every mistake a team can make and then some. The Bucs, Cards and Seahawks all had a bumpy path to the Super Bowl due mainly to not having enough talent on board when Idzik joined the team. He wasn't the GM on any of those teams but he was involved in the personnel thought process on each of them and on the cap stability required to put together a roster good enough to make a run.

    He's seen what works also. Get your running game in shape. Stay strong up the middle of the field on defense. Make sure you have the depth to survive the inevitable injuries that the game throws in your path. Then go find your QB and win the thing.

    I'm very happy with what I've seen so far.

    Idzik's reputation was that he was willing to take the hits on his reputation as long as the moves he was making were the right moves to advance the team. That's exactly what has happened in his two seasons with the team. He's made the moves that had to be made to move the team forward, sometimes through blistering attacks in the press.

    His reputation was that he would build depth through the draft and use free agency as a resource when a critical need opened up. That's what he's done. WR was a critical need on the Jets at this point. They're trying to develop a young QB and they went out to get Eric Decker because he was a necessity in that process. They also drafted three WR's and brought in several other second-tier WR's with either established performance levels or the potential to get there. They brought in two TE's who might turn into reliable targets in Jace Amaro and Zach Sudfeld. They layered in the necessary talent to give Geno Smith a real chance to succeed. He now has three very reliable receivers in Decker, Kerley and Nelson. He has several other receivers who might play a big role if things break right. He has a TE who might well turn into one of those 75 catch a year guys the Jets have been looking for.

    CB was not such a critical need this year. The Jets have already drafted a 1st round CB under the Idzik regime. They have spent 2 other picks on CB as well including a 3rd rounder this year. They have aggressively signed second tier CB's to complement the guys they believe will be starting for them in the Super Bowl window. That's the way to run things right now. If none of the CB's comes through they may have to modify and sign a free agent next year but for this year they went about the process the right way. Rex Ryan is a good defensive coach. He's not going to ask his players to do things they're not capable of. Look for a lot of Cover 2 this year.

    The Jets are on the right path at this point. It may take a year or two but I can't think of a team more likely to go to the Super Bowl in the 2015/2016 window. The cap is going to be our best friend at that point.

    You could subtitle this post "You can't just go out and buy what you want in free agency every year."

    Sometimes you need to let your young guys develop.

    The teams that try to fix their problems in free agency every year might have a good season here and there but they mostly disappoint. Buying into 28 and 29 year old players is not the way to get ahead in the NFL. It's the way to guarantee a decline two or three years down the road.
     
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  17. Jetsfansince95

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    Hey all them other ways got us... this won't kill us
     
  18. Barcs

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    I still wonder if the impatience trait is a NY thing or a Jets fan thing. Haven't figured it out yet. According to some folks Idzik has already screwed up royally. I say we wait and see how the next couple years go.
     
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    Mentally or physically?

    Mentally he's probably the equivalent of 17.
     
  20. legler82

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    Did Idzik draft all those homegrown defensive players?
     

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