Taking a project in the first 3 or 4 rounds is insane in the era of 4 year contracts with an optional 5th season for 1st rounders. Spending two seasons developing a player means that you have less information at the point that you need to decide whether to spend a lot of cash to keep them. Later in the draft it's manageable because the player's expectation level is lower. He's not thinking about getting a huge contract, just sticking in the NFL, so you have some leverage to lock him up tight after his third season if you like what you see. In the first 3 rounds all the players have stars in their eyes and the expectation that if they have so much as a single good season they will cash in on the second deal. Now throw in the fact that sometimes the guys you think are good to go out of the box will turn into projects instead and you wind up with a completely unmanageable low talent scenario in which you are overpaying to keep some guys and letting others go who will eventually develop elsewhere. If you really want project players steal other teams project players in free agency when they are 25 or 26 and their team has it's collective head in it's hands trying to figure out what to do with the good season and a half they've shown to date.
No I disagree again. I dont know where you are getting your figures from but most of a teams scouting efforts Should go to the top prospects. Rounds below 4 is always going to be crapshoot whether you have a camera on those players or 50 scouts looking at them, etc or not. They are lower prospects because they are flawed.. Flawed players can peak at later points, like a Tom Brady, but they arent worth chasing.. nobody is really "undiscovered" anymore. The biggest problem is overvaluing stuff that isn't important at the top of the draft board. Focusing on stuff that does not matter at all. Think about Mark Sanchez coming into the draft.. I think he's a classic example of the old, wrong way of scouting. He was a decent prospect overall but he is a smart guy, he "looks" the part, he's articulate, I'm sure he gave an outstanding interview. he probably looked good in the combine, he seems likethe perfect guy to be the face of a franchise.How much of that factored into the Jets decision to trade up to the top of the draft to get him??? Idk but I'm guessing quite a bit... They could've stayed at home, skipped the interview and pro day workout saved $$ and time and looked closer at his accuracy at USC..at how much his receivers bailed him out at USC. Or they could've put some nerdy intern to work crunching numbers in excel and noticed advanced statistics showed that he was inconsistent. That probably wouldn't have convinced them to trade up for him.. I think about a guy like Vontaze Burfict on the other side of the coin. He's a tool. He probably gave a horrendous interview, he had problems with penalties. He looked bad in t shirt and shorts.. Showing up for the workouts out of shape and stuff. All that shit really doesn't not matter when the games begin in September. If they just ignored it and focused on how he looked on gameday they would've seen he was a monster and all over the field. .. Look at him now, he went undrafted and he's one of the better young LBs in this league. That's why I am actually encouraged about Geno Smith in many ways. His accuracy and game films/stats at college were generally great. This d-bag old scout says questions his commitment, his leadership abilities and he's not the most articulate guy.. That's why he dropped in the draft. And who the hell cares about that stuff
this is nonsense. You think a guy who's never played CB or defense deserves to try it in the National Football league?? He doesn't even know the mechanics of a CB. Guys have been working on perfecting their CB mechanics and coverage reads their entire lives and still struggle to start in the NFL. It's not flag football...you can't just assume he can convert like that. Especially with 2 weeks before the regular season. Even if a project like that were possible, it would take too long. He wouldn't even make the roster then. I very much doubt that Rex would even think about this, especially since he likes his Corners to be physical. Hill probably can't even run backward and would probably leave the Jets insulted. You really think Hill would accept a new position after playing WR his entire life? He would sprint to ask for a chance on another team.
Come on, Ruby! Open yo mahnd! Think about it. Stephen Hill in a zone between Edelman and Gronkowski. Brady audible the opposite side, then nods to Gronk and winks to Edelman. The ball is snapped, Hill does a triple backflip, plants his toes on Gronk's huge forehead, triple lindy's and lands directly in from of a slant pass intended for Julian Bagelman, straight line speed to the endzone, run Forrest run? Epic.
People who think bust WR's with bad hands can be slotted in at CB are the same types of people who think olympic decathletes are the best athletes in the world. After all, they can jump far AND throw a javelin!!! Nothing is more athletic than reacting to and mirroring the speed and movement of a world-class athlete. Why do you think that track stars are almost always converted -- for better or worse -- into WR's? You don't hear nearly as often, if ever, of track stars being converted to CB. Why? Because NFL CB's are, out of necessity, the most coordinated, quickest-reacting dudes on the field. Some WR prospects can get a shot based on top-end speed and decent hand-eye. That's not good enough at CB, where the reaction skills are paramount. Despite what idiot announcers sometimes imply, CB's are generally shorter than WR's not because they are too short to play WR, but because, in general, the taller you are, the slower you react and change direction. (Please don't give me the Parcells quote. He was speaking tongue in cheek.)
I'm actually surprised that this thread received as many semi-serious replies as it did. There is no way Hill would be even a half-decent CB. Bad coordination and agility. Dude would never be able to follow a receiver on a decent route, turn his hips to the ball, or anything else involved in the technique of a CB.
I'm just think Hill is not smart enough or even a good enough football player as a whole to pull that off.
So I just listened to the Grantland podcast about AFC East (by Barnwell and Mays). At some point, they are discussing our WRs, and one of them goes something like "uh, well Stephen Hill is ... big", then the other one starts laughing, then they both laugh for about 3 minutes. Ah, Stephen Hill...
did u get this thread idea from one of the top comments by somebody in a bleacher reports article? i swear i saw it yesterday under the Stephen Hill article
Girlfren, you haven't made a decent post yet. You might want to ditch this username and move on to the next, because you are all over the place.
