Sit Down Ian, It is you that has missed the boat

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  1. Professor

    Professor Active Member

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    In his latest article on the Jets, ESPN writer Ian O’Connor argues that the Jets “missed the boat” on signing Revis. On the contrary, it is O’Connor’s article which misses the boat in his analysis of the Jets organization and planning.

    O’Connor begins the article with a strong point that one can make an educated guess the Jets didn’t want to sign Revis because they didn’t want deal with the hullabaloo possibly surrounding a resigning next year. I will give him that. I think one reason he wasn’t signed is because of how he had acted in the past regarding his contract and the Jets had no interest in repeating that cycle.

    His next point is weak and begins laying out the narrative for the Jets, in particular, Woody and Idzik as being inept organizational managers. The other reason the Jets didn’t sign Revis is “because Jets owner Woody Johnson would rather watch the Giants win five more rings than concede he needed one of the best players in franchise history after all.” Pure hyperbole which attempts to portray Woody as an owner who would rather spite his own team and see his hated rivals win half a decade’s worth of Super Bowls rather than sign a player who could help them win. It also assumes the fact that Revis “is needed’ to win and without him the Jets have no chance. A simplistic view to say the least. Our winning or losing never comes down to one player.

    He extends his argument by claiming that the alternative to signing Revis was to sign Patterson,

    “an undrafted player with a history of injuries and pink slips. If it seems Patterson already had been hired and fired by half the league, hey, at least he wouldn't cause the kind of trouble Revis caused when it came time to getting paid.”

    In addition to the hyperbole of being fired by half of the league, O’Connor gives no weight to the drafting of McDougle, who until he was injured, showed some promise that he might be able to man the fort. Yet, no mention is made of McDougle at all. Nor was mention made that perhaps the Jets were trying to create competition at the spot by bringing in a rookie and signing a veteran, who despite being cut by “half the league” had 4 interceptions in 6 games last year. Yes, we took out a flyer. Patterson has gone mad and awol and dealt with injuries, while McDougle is out for the year with the ACL. However, these happenstances could not have been foretold, particularly the AWOL episode. Yet, O’Connor would have you believe we simply had no plan in place for the CB position except to sign someone whom half the league discarded—in fact, Patterson has only been on 5 other teams. I’m not arguing that Idzik had the best plan in place—I think we should have signed a 2nd tier CB. However, there was some sort of plan in place that wasn’t just to pass on Revis and sign Patterson as O’Connor tries to simplify it.

    He continues to attempt to lay out an argument that positions the Jets as incompetent in arguing that we could have signed Revis to play the Bucs for a fool and in not signing him, we gifted him to the Patriots.

    By showing no interest in making a deal, the Jets didn't merely miss a golden opportunity to play the Bucs for fools. They also hand-delivered Revis to New England, of all places, home of the team favored to win its 12th AFC East title in the Bill Belichick-Tom Brady era.”

    This line of reasoning is also flawed in two ways. First, you don’t sign a player simply to make another team look like a fool. That, in fact, is being an incompetent franchise. You sign a player because they will make a positive contribution to your team on the field and in the locker room. Secondly, it is unsure that the Jets knew that if they didn’t sign Revis, he would go to the Patriots. Even O’Connor concedes this. So, these supporting points also fail to strengthen his argument. The use of the phrase “hand-delivered” is over the top and only adds to the hyperbole in his argument, unmasking his lack on analysis.

    He further claims that Rex wanted Revis back and did not want to trade him after he tore up his knee: “Of course, Rex Ryan wanted Revis back to help him change all that. In fact, even after the cornerback tore up his knee early in the 2012 season, Ryan had no interest in trading him to Tampa Bay. So this is one triple bogey that doesn't belong on the coach's scorecard.” While this may be true, O’Connor fails to provide a source and thus this appears to be simply speculation. His weak analogy of the “triple-bogey” perhaps suggests O’Connor should stick to analyzing golf.

    In closing the article, O’Connor uses some Brady quotes in which he fawns over the brilliance of Revis, which again attempts to make the Jets look like fools for not bringing back, “one of the best players in franchise history”

    O’Connor misses the boat heavily on this one here. Since Idzik had gotten here the mantra has been fiscal responsibility and competition. Not signing Revis was fiscally responsible. Of course, we could have signed him for only 1 year, but do you think he would not have wanted to come back and get paid a ludicrous amount in 2015? Have we ever known him to want to take a pay cut? That money can be better used elsewhere viz., to pay Mo and create depth with solid second tier signings.

    While signing Patterson and drafting McDougle may not have been the ideal plan; it was a solid plan that could have worked if we didn’t have to deal with two random occurrences, as a torn ACL and an AWOL episode. We could have managed the position, albeit weakly, with those two players, Walls, Lankster etc.,. You can’t be strong at every position now and a little competition is good now and then to bring out the latent talent that might not surface without competition.

    Finally, the article simply looks to paint the Jets as a team who will cut off their nose to spite their face, who will make the stupid choice even when a brilliant one is staring them in the face, who will work against their own interests and willingly give up Super Bowls for some power trip. This is reductionist thinking and is the media version of the SOJ discourse. This is not a defense of Idzik and Woody or the plan for CB for 2014, rather a defense against the trolling and mocking of the Jets that consistently passes for staunch sports journalism. Have a seat Ian. It is you who has dropped the ball on this one.
     
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  2. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    This is the most tired topic in Jets land right now with some of the most ill-informed opinions you'll ever see. If you don't understand by now why the Jets didn't, and shouldn't have resigned Revis, you're helpless.

    It also doesn't help that O'Connor is one of the worst out there. All he does is take a topic, go with the controversial stance and then run from it. Never will you hear him discuss his stuff on-air and NEVER will you see him respond to anyone on Twitter that questions him.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    It's low hanging fruit. The guy obviously can't write a decent article to begin with.
     
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    Well said, the problem is some Jets fans can't let the Revis saga go, stay tuned for next years off season it will only get better
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Look, Revis would have made this secondary an afterthought. That's the truth. But he also would have wrecked what appears to be a plan to help the team in future years when it comes to the cap.

    There are people on this site that want to throw the cap rollover out the window to compete now, but they also don't understand how to tie their shoes much less what Idzik seems to be doing.

    The Jets as they are built now may actually compete, but they aren't contenders. At all.

    Letting Revis go to the Pats scares the people that don't get the long term. It shouldn't scare the people that want to see what this team is doing, but panic sets in and dildos like Ian Fucknut are trying to cash in with website hits.
     
  6. Ben Had

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    The Jets had more than enough cap space to sign Revis...tells you he's a head case no one wanted to deal with.
     
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    yawnnnnnnnn
     
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    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    The important point hear that abyzmul just pointed out is we are not a Revis away from a Lombardi. Hell, we may not even be a Revis away from a wild card berth. It makes far more sense to roll over the money and sign a guy like Wilkerson who will be hear longterm on top of being able to sign more free agents. FAR more sense.
     
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    Rather have Wilkerson and Richardson tied up long-term then 1 All-Pro CB.
     
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    the unfortunate thing is the pats could have been
     
  11. BroadwayAaron

    BroadwayAaron Well-Known Member

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    And? Who cares. I know we don't like seeing the Pats win, but if we aren't winning then it sucks regardless.
     
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    One thing that's important to note about the whole Revis thing is how us giving him a huge contract would establish a bad precedent for our other players. If Revis is getting 12-16 mil a year in his 30s after a major injury, that might influence Wilkerson to seek more, and then Richardson, etc. On the other hand, if Jets can sign an elite but seemingly humble player like Wilkerson to a good but not insane contract (maybe 10 million a year) for the good of the team, that can also help them sign players in the future for less, and allow them to sign more good players.
     
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    How come we couldn't sign Revis this season and our others in the future?
     
  14. BroadwayAaron

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    Jesus...

    The short answer, which has been explained a billion times here... rollover money.
     
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    Who's almost 30 coming off knee surgery
     
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    Because generating a pass-rush is far more important then 1 CB with a 70M dollar contract (the 70 is just a ballpark #).
     
  17. abyzmul

    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    The answer is that nom nom yum baby love pureed peas baby make lego car nom nom baby make a poo
     
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    So if I understand this right...We roll this 21mil over into next season we will have 40-50mil in cap space?
     
  19. BroadwayAaron

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    http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8016480/nfl-salary-cap-carryover-rewards-smart-management

    That tells you what it is and highlights the fact that it rewards smart GMs who know how to manage money for longterm sustainability and success. I feel like that link should be stickied at the top of this forum so maybe people will bother to do their homework rather than OMG WE COULD HAVE HAD REVIS IDZIK SUCKS.

    We can carry over as much of the $21 million we have this year as we want. So the money we would have given Revis this year will go directly into Mo's extension as well as other free agents. If you sign Revis to a one year deal, you lose the money that you spent on him in cap space next year and he either walks or demands a shit ton of money. It made NO sense for a team in our position to sign him, and that's why we didn't.
     
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    The other point that O'Connor fails to mention is that Idzik tried to sign two other CBs, the dude from the Colts and DRC. I think he attempted to sign both before he settled on Patterson. If either had signed with the Jets, things would look very different and it would be a non-story. In fact, if either of the other vet CBs had signed, there's a good chance McDougle wouldn't have been their pick in the 3rd round.

    The bottom line is we never won a division championship, much less a SB with Revis, so why pay a fortune to bring back a headache who's on the downside of his career, when even if he played at a very high level, would continue the circus, cost cap space that could have been used to re-sign Mo Wilk or another Jet, and possibly create a distraction in 2015.
     
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