Well, like I said, Jackson did have some talents in this regard, but when you have a player widely considered the greatest of all time, another top 50 all-time player, bring in complimentary pieces around them, and have those 2 players get more experience and develop, don't you think it would be natural for them at some point to beat the Pistons? I think it would have happened with many other coaches too, maybe even Collins if he stayed around long enough. I would disagree with that bolded part. Phil Jackson was just really good at picking good spots to coach, but I think there is a bunch of coaches in the NBA who could've come in to teams with Jordan+Pippen+loaded supporting cast or Shaq+Kobe+loaded supporting cast or Kobe+Gasol+Bynum+loaded supporting cast and won championships. Each of those teams was the most talented in the NBA at the time, so they just did what they are supposed to do. That is not easy to do, and deserves some credit, but let's not blow it out of proportion and act like they defeated the odds.
Really? Coughlin has two VLT's. As for Carroll, he not only won an SB, he built that franchise more or less. He won with a second year Qb who while very effective and efficient really did not generate bigtime stats. What has Ryan generated in the post season the last three years? He took a team that was 9-7, would have been even better if Favre had not been hurt down the stretch, and now has a record of 22-26 the last three years, missing the playoffs three years in a row. I understand the roster issues have been a problem, but Ryan has influence on the roster. The fact is the Jets have deteriorated while Ryan has been HC. I assume he would have ranked much higher if this poll were taken after 10. But it clearly is more of a what have you done for me lately poll, which is fair enough. Can't rest on your laurels forever. Pagano won some big games last year and imo has a team that will be a playoff team this year. Kelly I concede took over from an excellent Andy Reid, but Andy had worn out his welcome in Philly, and Kelly got them going in a new direction with success. I especially appreciate Arians since not only did he do a good job in Indy taking over from the then sick Pagano, in a very difficult situation. He also took a team that was 5-11 and went 10-6 in one season. Arizona would have been in the playoffs if they were in the AFC. Ryan can't take credit for that. Look I am not a Ryan hater. I thought he deserved to come back after last year. I even do not agree that he should be fired this year if the Jets don't make the playoffs. But I don't think he's even exactly mid-level as an NFL HC. Probably around 20 or 22. 20 if you count the four I mentioned previously but put Marvin Lewis behind him. Ftr while I think Jim Harbaugh is overrated in that poll, he's still better than Ryan.
Junc you should seriously consider reading "The Drunkard's Walk: How Randomness Rules Our Lives". You seem like a smart guy sometimes but you are archaic in the way you evaluate things. It's not really a sports book but it would make you think about how to perceive things justly... like how good a certain QB is.
During Phil's time w/ the Lakers there plenty of good teams out west - Kings with Bibby and Webber, Spurs with the Twin Towers, and Mavs. Just because you have a loaded supporting cast doesn't mean you are the best team with the chemistry to win it all. Shaq and Kobe couldn't win against the Jazz prior to Phil coming into town, he installed the Triangle offense, held egos in check and low and behold the Lakers are champions for 3 yrs. Michael Jordan and the Bulls couldn't get through the Detroit Pistons when Doug Collins (who is also a good coach) was HC. Phil put them over that hump and they are the greatest dynasty prob to ever play in the NBA. Phil is easily one of the best coaches ever to play the game - I don't think he's overrated one bit. His interesting ways of motivating players and getting players in the right position to succeed is underrated.
fantasy #s don't impress me when that QB consistently cannot get it done in big spots. he has had top 5 talent around him 90% of his career and has just 1 title to show for it in a postseason he wasn't very good in outside of one great half vs. NE in the title game.
Lmao what the hell does Peyton have to do with this thread? Talk about a complex. Wow. Head coaches list and you're talking Peyton Manning
I perceive things justly, I am fair. I don't use out of context #s. #s are part of the equation but I weight performance in big spots/big games heavily, I also weigh talent around the QB heavily. Peyton has had top 5 talent nearly his entire career and he has come up small in big games his entire career. That bumps him done from top 5 all time to probably top 15. Still great just not as great as fantasy football fans think.
Hm so the word QB hits a trigger in your mind... "Must...post...about...Peyton" You just can't help yourself Say hi to Skip for me
they change because there are now additional seasons of performance to consider. what you are doing is the equivalent of saying that Baltimore is the best team in the NFL because they won the Super Bowl two years ago and completely ignoring last season. how is that confusing?
who do you think you are fooling? do you have something to add about this discussion or are you just here to follow me and take the thread off track?
I wasn't talking about Manning or fantasy football. I was suggesting a book. anyway carry on maybe someone will waste their afternoon arguing manning with you in a thread about coaching. not me though
you want me to change the way I think, I get it. The problem is I think for myself, I don't need others to tell me how to thin like so many football fans do needing fantasy stats and "experts" to tell them what to think. You can disagree with me all you want. You are entitled to your opinions as well. I love that I have a unique view on the game and someday you will realize that doesn't mean I am wrong.
None of those teams had the talent level anywhere near the Lakers. NBA is a sport that revolves around superstars, and the Lakers had 2 in their prime, including Shaq, who during that time, was probably the most dominant player in NBA history. Spurs only had Duncan, as by the time the Lakers got Jackson, David Robinson was well on the downside of his career. Kings had Webber, who had a lot of talent, but never quite became a real superstar, and decent players like Bibby and Divac, but nothing like the Lakers talent (not to mention how they got screwed by the refs in that one conference final). And during Phil's second stint, they had like a 7 foot frontcourt with Gasol, Bynum and Odom, Kobe, a very underrated Derek Fischer, Ron Artest, etc. Sorry, but when you are that much more talented than everyone else, I can't give you too much credit for doing what you are supposed to do. And I mean, saying Lakers couldn't win against the Jazz... That was their first year together and Kobe was only 17 years old at the time, coming off the bench. And they still made it to the playoffs. Surely, even if Phil didnt join them, they would get better as Shaq got more comfortable and Kobe got older, and the team put other pieces around them.
Chip Kelly being higher then Rex?What a Joke 6 road playoff appeaances 4 road playoff wins 42-38 with Mark Sanchez as your Qb.Rex should be in top 3 just for winning with Sanchez
