ESPN "Insider": Ranking the Head Coaches. Rex Ranked 17th.

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  1. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    he could have pushed all he wanted Peyton isn't stupid, he wasn't coming here w/ the talent we had around the QB and our cap situation at the time. he went where the talent was greatest and still can't win a SB.
     
  2. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    There is absolutely zero chance Peyton would want to come here and share a a city with his brother. It just wreaks of someone who is a media whore and that's not the Manning way. I don't even think Peyton was considering the same conference as Eli let alone the same city.
     
  3. Big Blocker

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    I expected Rex's supporters to complain about the list, but arguably there are people ranked below Rex in that poll who are better. The only one ranked higher I think a good case can be made for that should be lower was Marvin Lewis. With all the talent Cincy has had they should have done better, imo. He seems to get his ass handed to him by someone like Tomlin, a much better coach, even when Tomlin has a weaker roster to play with.

    As far as those ranked lower than Rex by ESPN that I like, those include:

    Whisenhunt. Made it to an SB, is a keen offensive mind, the knock being that all he is is a glorified OC filling the HC role. Sounds kind of like Rex being a glorified DC. Why is Rex better? The Cards were in striking distance of a VLT with him.

    Trestman. Another offensive minded coach, the Bears had their issues last year, but the O looks improved. Whether Trestman deserves to be ranked higher than Ryan should depend on whether Chicago can win 10 games or more this season.

    McCoy. I thought he did a great job with the Chargers last year, with Rivers looking rejuvenated. McCoy may have the advantage over Rex of having a very good Qb, but he also showed he knows how to use him. A thin track record, but I expect SD to be a good team this year. Would they be even better under Ryan? Hard to say.

    Smith. I blame Atlanta's problems last year on too many injuries. But why should last year mean Smith is worse than Ryan when Ryan coached a 6-10 team? Smith's team was never competitive before he got there, and I expect them to bounce back this year.

    I also agree with the points about rookie or even second year coaches, although I think Kelly did a fine job last year handling the transition to Foles. Let's see if they can keep it up this year, and ftr I expect the Eagles to win their division.

    One last note, I don't think Jim Harbaugh is so great.
     
  4. Jonathan_Vilma

    Jonathan_Vilma Well-Known Member

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    Not that I disagree immensely with you as I think you can make an argument for most coaches to move up and down, but all the teams you listed have had a franchise quarterback on their roster.
     
  5. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    whisenhunt was 9-7 HOSTING the NFC Championship Game and caught lightning in a bottle w/ a future HOF QB. did nothing w/o warner

    Trestman had nice #s in the O but couldn't even make playoffs

    McCoy needed 50 teams to lose last week, couldn't make a title game.

    Smith has had SB talent, has only won 1 playoff game
     
  6. BrowningNagle

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    McCoy is a very good coach as well. He's gotten a lot out of some really crappy QBs. He worked wonders with Delhomme in Carolina, Orton in Denver, hell he even managed to make Tebow look alright in Denver. Those are some bad QBs that he managed to get to overachieve.

    It's not a surprise Phillip Rivers had his best year last year working with McCoy. That was a great hire in SD, I expect them to be contenders for awhile now..
     
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    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    Rivers didn't have his best year and I agree McCoy is good b/c he was smart to take the playoff game at cincy out of Rivers' hands but he still couldn't get as far as rex did w/ a rookie QB.
     
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    Well I to some extent blame Ryan for his not having a franchise qb, or more accurately for making the situation worse at qb than it would be otherwise. Here I am specifically thinking of Ryan's role in mishandling the situation with Sanchez, and possibly Smith as well. My recollection was Ryan was very much behind trading up to draft Sanchez at fifth in that draft.

    Absolving Ryan for not having a franchise Qb when you look at his role in getting the Qb's he's had is a bit like excusing someone who kills his parents because he is an orphan.

    Btw about Whisenhunt I assume you refer to his tenure in AZ, as his current Qb is Jake Locker.
     
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    Yeah, SD is one of the teams in the NFL I actively dislike, but I respect what McCoy did there very much last year. They might even give Denver a run for the money on the division title. Despite acknowledging Rivers being a very good Qb, I doubt Ryan would have done better last year if he were HC in SD.
     
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    Phil Jackson was the master of preparation, as well as handling egos. The Triangle offense made Jordan and Pippen better team players, Jordan pre-Phil Jackson was an excellent player but not a great team player.

    Teams were loaded, but no other coach could motivate his team and provide a vision like Phil Jackson
     
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    By the way, Rex Ryan is a top 10 coach. No way is Marvin Lewis, or Lovie Smith better in my opinion.
     
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    The results are not consistent.

    Carroll ranked 2 just because he won a Super Bowl this year?
    i don't agree with that, but at least be consistent. Pagano, Kelly, and Arians have not accomplished anything in the postseason, and have not exceeded Rex as a coach in this league at this time.

    i also don't see how a coach with a QB in the HOF conversation, misses the playoffs 4 out of 5 years, starts last season 0-6, and still gets ranked top 5. Coughlin is a good coach, but so way overrated.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    I can't believe they have the gall to charge people a premium for crap content like this. Hell, we're in week 4 of the preseason and they're still publishing listicles.
     
  14. BeastBeach

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    lol this is cute. Your arguments against coaches are the exact same as those against QBs
     
  15. TNJet

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    That ranking was a joke. Too high for Rex, 21 would be a better spot.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Yup. I always point this out during the rare "Parcells vs Belichick" debates. Parcells won with some really shitty teams, and subpar QBs. Belichick has had Brady during most of his successful years, with the exception of the Cassel year, where he had Randy Moss and Welker on offense.

    It's pretty easy to be a genius when you have a super talented QB. Doing more with less is the sign of a good coach, something Rex managed to pull off last season.
     
  18. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    the game is about winning when it matters, right?
     
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    Straight off a media pundit script. Good job!
     
  20. nyjunc

    nyjunc 2008 TGG Bryan Cox "Most Argumentative" Award Winn

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    actually the media is wowed by individual #s, I'm not. You are a sheep that follows the media and can't think for yourself so you will tell me how great peyton is and all that nonsense.
     

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