Same here. This thread about him being elite was meant to spark some controversy/posts and I for one don't mind that since I've started a few of the same type lol. But getting down to business I am totally in agreement about Smith and his inconsistency. He is nowhere elite in anything folks...he is a studious kid, hard worker, and is now improving his in game decision making. He also figured out that running with the ball is a good idea and keeps chains moving. Those are the positives. But let's face it, he is never going to be as talented as P Manning or T Brady, Rogers etc. My gut, however, delivers no trust in Smith to give us a come from behind win. His 67 per cent completions are IN PRESEASON no matter how you slice it. I think we all know that % will go down when he faces the real deal and better defenses...It just makes sense. Posters here are over the top in looking at where he has shined as a thrower of darts over the middle. How about going downfield? He is not that accurate in my opinion. Russel Wilson was not a hall of fame QB. Will Geno be our Russel Wilson?? That remains to be seen.
Your'e using his college highlights to show that he can throw long??? Personally, based on his college work, I didn't want the Jets to draft him.
If you look at my post on page 2, you will see that facts show that your opinion is wrong on that subject (at least for last year).
Sometimes I wonder if posters ever watched a football forget playing. NFL Qbs that have to have a perfect pocket are the ones that do last. Being an NFL Qb requires you to be able to throw in less than ideal Conditions Gene had one of the worst rookie seasons in the history of football and you are ready to annoint him elite after three preseason games. Let's see if he can do it in a full regular season first.
wGenoVufan is not a Jet fan, he's a Geno fan. Ask him to put up highlights from Geno's last college game. _
Well, those aren't highlights...both videos show every pass in each of those games (good and bad). Accuracy is accuracy no matter what level he is in (college, NFL, high school). Throwing an accurate ball has no bearing on what level you're at. If you don't want to look at his accuracy in college, then look at the last link in my post. That was from last year and it shows that he was still an accurate deep ball passer in the NFL. Those stats were from '08-'13, but since Geno only played in '13, I guess you can only say that he was one of the best last season. But yeah...who would want to draft a QB who had a 67% completion percentage, 11,662 yards passing, 98 TDs, with only 21 INTs for just over 3 years worth of work? And that is with a terrible OC his first year as a starter and a terrible Oline 2 out of those 3 years. Again, I wouldn't say that he is elite yet, but if he can continue to be in the top 5 the next couple of years, I think then you would have to give him that title of being in a group of elite QBs (for accuracy).
Some of you guys missed the point of my post. I didn't say Geno is an elite QB. I said that I think he already has elite QB accuracy / completion percentage, whatever you want to call it. He may go into the year and throw another 25 picks and have another 8 fumbles. Who knows. During the preseason he threw 2 bad balls the entire time and had one picked off, but against vanilla defenses that's something I'm not ready to judge yet. Everyone saying he is inaccurate throwing downfield are absolutely wrong though. He was 9th in the NFL last year in completion percentage of passes thrown atleast 20 yards, and was in the top 5 in # of completions over 10 yards. The one thing he showed last season that was really good was the ability to get the ball downfield. I honestly saw more 3rd and long completions and just general long passes out of Geno in one season then I did with Sanchez his entire time here, and that was with the worst receiving core in the league. Last year the 8th most accurate QB in the league was Nick Foles at 64.0%, which in the top quarter of the league to me is considered elite. I think Geno can do that.
Look up a QB in a much much better conference who had a 64.3 completion percentage, 11,902 yards, 107 TDs with only 39 INTs in just over 3 years work and there are threads expounding about how much he sucks. College means jack shit when you're throwing shovel passes/handoffs offs to Tavon Austin and Stedman Bailey for 70 yard TDs, two of those years in the Big East, one in the Big 12 with the likes of Marshall and James Madison (who knew James Madison played football lol) on the schedule. He's playing better now but just stop with the college BS. It does not matter. _
No we got your point but looking at preseason stats with new PI rules is intellectually dishonest. Mark Sanchez is over 80% on the same number of attempts. There is a 10,000 page thread on how bad he sucks...just sucks. Is his accuracy now "elite"? It's silly. _
LMAO Big East low blow. Some of the best players in the league came from the Big East / AAC. Hell our 1st round pick this season came from the AAC (Pryor) and everyone seems to love him. Two of the 1st round QB's this year came from the AAC. Revis may be the best talent the Jets ever had and he played in the Big East. The Big East defensively even when it was only 8 teams and low on the totem pole was actually one of the best leagues defensively in the entire country, and the games most resembled NFL style games where the score would be in the 20's and 30's instead of in the 40's and 50's. And just to point out the obvious, SEC QB's are garbage. Newton and Stafford are the only starting SEC QB's in the NFL right now other then Eli and Peyton who came out a century ago. There is a reason why guys like McCarren, Mettenberger, and Murray were all taken in the last few rounds of the draft. They suck.
lol...yes I am, but if you actually read my posts, I'm not the one saying that Geno is elite. He's definitely good (with accuracy)(even last year), but I wouldn't call him elite yet. Again, these aren't highlights, these are videos of each of his passes in these games. And just for you, here's the video for his last college game...against your 'Cuse team (the only time you watch him play in college)... Most of his passes were accurate, but there were a lot of drops and the play calling didn't help much. Here was his stat line for that game... Att. Comp. % yrds yrds/att TD INT Rating 24 16 66.7 197 8.2 2 0 163.12 Not great, but not bad for freezing weather and snow (especially for a kid from Miami). Just because we lost that game doesn't mean he wasn't accurate. Oh and by the way, I'm also a Lankster fan, Reynaud fan (last year), Anthony Becht fan, etc... I'll root for any team with Mountaineers on their roster. If that makes me a bad guy in your eyes, so be it.
Sanchez has also been running with the backups though. There are plenty of QB's that look world class against guys that will be getting cut in the next few weeks. Did you see the Bills v. Bucs game yesterday? Manuel had 2 turnovers, 40 percent passing, and something awful like 60 yards in the 1st half against the Bucs 1st string defense. Then at halftime the Bucs sat their starters but EJ kept playing and then threw like 10 completions in a row and led the Bills to two TD's. It's easy to make accurate throws when Sammy Watkins and Mike Evans are getting wide open against guys that are just trying to make the special teams squad. Geno passing for 70 percent against the 10th ranked Giants starting secondary though is impressive no matter how you want to slice it.
Not to knock your Mountaineers but another thing to look at is how bad they looked last year without him. It reminds me of when my USF team with BJ Daniels had a decent but not great record, but the second he left the team went down the toilet. 66.7 percent accuracy in the freezing cold even in college is outstanding though. You put that same game in warm weather you we are talking an easy 70 to 72 percent.
If we were talking only about completion % and/or yards, then I would agree with you. However, we are talking accuracy here. And Geno threw enough deep balls in college to talk about that. If you can throw an accurate ball, you can throw an accurate ball, it doesn't matter what level you're doing it at. If Geno would have more experience in the NFL, then we could use that as an example, but he doesn't. Even with what he did last year, it still shows that he is an accurate passer with the deep ball. Is he elite? I wouldn't go that far yet, but he is pretty damn good and if you say otherwise, you are just ignoring facts for your own opinion. You can knock the BE conference all you want, but there have been a lot of great NFL players come out of the BE. Quite a few from your team, so I'm not sure why you would knock them to begin with.
Not at all, we had no decent QB behind Geno and we are still looking for that decent QB today (hopefully a true freshman named William Crest can be the next good one). One thing people don't realize about our 2012 season and Geno's slide after the first 5 games is that Bailey was hurt for a few games starting with Texas Tech. He would come in for a few plays here and there, but was nowhere near 100%. So everyone would double team Tavon and that really left nobody else for Geno to throw to. Our Oline was terrible, so we had no running game. Our best 2 RBs were injured and the one we used would just run up the backs of our Olinemen. Geno has a lot he needs to work on to be a great NFL QB, but accuracy on the deep ball has always been one of the better parts of his game and the fact that he was one of the top 5 in the league last year with what he had to work with should show that. Here is Geno as a true freshman coming in during the middle of a game where starter Jarrett Brown suffered a concussion (1st TD pass of Geno's college career)... Pop warner, high school, college, NFL, it doesn't matter, Geno can throw an accurate deep ball.
I saw him live 3 times in college and saw at least 20 of his games on TV. Shovel handoffs to Austin and Bailey do something to your comp %, yardage and TDs. It either increases them or decreases them. It's one or the other but I'm not sure. _
Again your reading comprehension fails you. We aren't talking about completion %, yardage or TDs, we are talking about accuracy. Accuracy and completion % is not the same thing. Since you don't want any examples from college and I (and someone else) did post this earlier, but you and a lot of people choose to ignore it I'll post it again. This should end all discussion on this topic...until this year is over. http://regressing.deadspin.com/charts-who-are-the-best-deep-passers-in-the-nfl-1469917039 Is he elite? Nope...but he is pretty damn good at throwing an accurate deep ball, even in the NFL.
