He was outplayed by Clyde Gates again in preseason. Salas outplayed him too. It will be a fuckin shame if one of those guys gets cut for Hill's "potential". Nothing pisses me off more than when teams continue to give advantages to inferior players based upon their draft status. So fuckin stupid. Decker Nelson Kerley Salas Gates Those should be the receivers that make the team. They earned their spots. Salas and Gates play specials too. They can keep Saunders as well if they want, but who knows with his health situation.
If Saunders can come back and be healthy, he can be our deep threat instead of Stephen Hill. I hate to say it, but I think Gates is staying on the team - I would rather have Hakim on the team instead of Gates - they say he's the fastest guy on the team.
I saw Hill at his first practice in Cortland as a rookie. During one session the QBs, DBs, and WRs were goofing around (no lineman). Sanchez took the snap while Revis covered the new kid (Hill) running a fly pattern down the left side. Crowd stood up as Hill burned Revis by 5+ yards and ran under a beautiful 50 yard rainbow from Sanchez into the endzone. CLANK as the ball bounced off Hill's forearms. Loud groan from crowd. Hill's hands missed the ball by 10 inches on a wide open rainbow for 7 points. One pass was all I needed to see. Zero WR instincts. I can accept Hill moving on and becoming an avg WR with another team. But I can't accept Hill staying with the Jets at the expense of another kid who actually earned the spot and could contribute even a bit during the reg season. I will let all of you kiss Idzik's stones if he waives Hill.
Gates is a guy that actually gets a bad rap he doesn't deserve instead of Hill. He's not nearly as bad as people make him out to be. He's speedy, shows awareness and can play special teams. He had that atrocious game last year in NE but that was the anomaly not the norm. He shown some flashes here and there. He's had a very good preseason. Oh and we got him for cheap off the scrap heap. its not like hes a bust anyway. I don't understand the gates hate, really.
http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2014/08/jets_53-man_prediction_darryl_slaters_projection.html Thought this was interesting regarding Hill.... "Would the Jets really cut Hill, a second-round draft pick in 2012? It seems unlikely, even though he hasn't had a great preseason. But it is possible. The Jets would have to eat a $1.033 million dead money figure this season if they cut Hill. His dead money next year is just $466,791. Hill's cap figure this year is $1.285 million. Next year, it will be $1.499 million. The Jets might as well keep him for another year. If he continues to struggle, cut him, and save about $1 million in cap space for 2015." My opinion is it's time to move on from him.
hey champ, i know the game start late and you didn't watch it. coples looked good last night. might want to scratch him off that list.
I still have stock in Hill but I have MORE stock in Salas after a great preseason. If the competition mantra is more then lip service we should keep Salas. We are not good enough to cut young players who are improving and can contribute over a guy who has all a ton of measurables in all areas but can't do the single most important thing for his position. The only thing Hill has been able to translate to game day is his long speed. He was never a quick/agile guy to begin but I always hoped he could refine his catching ability over time to be our deep threat. I just have not seen enough improvement...Hill is still surprisingly young but its alarming that he has improved so slowly. The kid just isn't good at catching a football and it might take him 3 more years to get serviceable. I'm not sure he is worth the wait and if anyone should be on the bubble it should be him. I am disappointed he didn't pan out, but he has had the opportunity to show us more and he has proven that he can't turn his measurables into production.
Why is it that when I look at Steven Hill, I see a track and field guy, not a football player? I could see Hill running the 100m, the Hurdles, perhaps even a Relay. I just don't see him as a football player and particularly, a NFL caliber Wr. It's hard to quantify, but it just seems as though he's lacking the inate ability to be a Wr. He's big, can run straight, but has problems catching the ball. Now they did manage to help Braylon Edwards when he had his issues but I think Braylon was more of a Wr starting out than Hill. It may be that it's time to cut bait with Hill. If he latches on with another team and suddenly becomes serviceable? Great for him but right now, I'd keep Salas over him as Salas just seems to have the inborn talent to be a good Wr. JMHO.
I'm pretty sick of reading people explain away his lack of production and drops. At some point even his biggest supporters need to stop making excuses and see the unfortunate reality of the situation for what it is. Excuses don't get you anywhere in life and certainly not on the NFL. At this point what we know about Hill is that he's a good blocking WR with bad hands, poor body control and awesome measurables that he doesn't know how to use to his advantage.
He's the only WR in the NFL that you can defend by poking him in the stomach with one finger when he goes up for a ball. Given the way he spaz's out in the air that has to be what is happening.
Is this for real? You guys complain about Hill not catching the ball, Gates had 3 drops on 1/3 of the targets last season. He had a 12.7% drop rate, compared to Hills 1.7%. Hill had better stats in 2013 as "The Worst Receiver ever to play" 2013 Gates : 12 catches 122 yards, 10.1/catch. 0 TDS Hill: 24 catches 342 yards, 14.3/catch, 1TD But because in the preseason Gates is coming in against 4th stringers ( people who won't be on the team next week ) and catching a couple more balls late in the game he's somehow "better" then Hill and deserves his spot? Please explain. Also, This is asinine. You knew at first sight, what coaches with years and years and years of experience don't see after 3 years? What's your profession again? I don't understand what you people think you get for being the first person to call someone a bust, or being the guy with the funniest joke about how poorly you think our player is. I look up this thread and it's an entire page of insults and bad mouthing with not a single person arguing the other point, and yet on you post. About how you as a desk job employee could "suit up" and play better then a person who's trained their ENTIRE life for playing that single position. No one is saying you can't be critical, But at this point we all get it. Move on to someone or something on the team you do like. Or at least try to be critical with a purpose, Explain to us neanderthals about why he can't ever be a good WR or should be cut. I spent 2 hours yesterday putting together a post of the breakdown of Hills play in the Giants game thread.( http://tinyurl.com/mzw67rq ). It showed that Hill played a pretty consistent game with the exception of the route that he could have cleaned up on the slant. The "drop" was just as much on Geno as it was on Hill. And yet we have a post about Geno's "Elite" accuracy, and 3 pages blasting Hill for a drop on a contested, underthrown ball which he had to basically stop running completely and wait for the ball while the CB jumped the route underneath. I'm tired of reading "Stone hands can't run or catch" neither of those things is true and it's becoming cliche at this point add something new or don't post. Either way, He's probably going to be on the team this year, and hopefully next. Which means you should be rooting for him to do well. Not waiting on his every fuck up to jump onto this thread and blast him. Just my 2c. I'm probably going to just ignore this thread for a while.
I know it hurts now Ajitator, but don't worry eventually we will find another physical specimen @ WR to get all excited about. Maybe Quincy Enunwa shows up next season. Hill doesn't deserve a spot on this roster. It goes against the competition mantra. People don't want to root for Hill because he does more harm then good. Throwing to him usually ends up a wasted down to be honest.
God you have to stop with the Hill stuff. We got Gates off the fucking street. I'm not saying he's a good receiver. I'm saying he belongs on this football team over Stephen Hill. The mere fact that they are comparable is a fucking joke for Stephen Hill. By the way drop percentage is the dumbest statistic there is.Hill's was so low last season because he's never open & doesn't getting targeted in traffic because he's terrible. This isn't the case with Gates, his has more to do with one poor game skewing the stats (the sample size is too small for him) but some of the top receivers actually have poor drop percentages because they are being counted on to make the tough catches / targets. I would hope Hill's rate reflected well because the only time they can ever throw to him is on cheap button hooks where he could cradle the ball in his chest and fall down!!!
Figured it was only a matter of time for Aji comes on here and does his usual blowing of Stephen Hill....
I'm sorry I thought this was a thread on Stephen Hill. Where should I take my Stephen Hill based arguments? Also where are you coming from with this "Off the streets" stuff with Gates? He came from Miami with First Pump Tony. We claimed Gates off waivers at the beginning of the 12 season. So they both have had the same amount of time in the system. Additionally Clyde Gates is 28, He's at the top of his game right now.... Think about that.
