Yes agree completely. At first I was high on Boyd but I am not sure he is making it. Now that immediate needs are done who is a good College QB this coming year.to build a franchise..? guess I will ask our scouting department he he
Stupid question. Jimmy G can do it all Bro. He's a scrappy, heady hustler who just oozes intangibles. Look at his college pedigree! He broke Romo's records at storied EIU, and Romo has proven that he's a winner and a first ballot Hall of Famer! Now look at his body of work in the pros. He's thrown for three TDs in two preseason games and has a 60% completion percentage! He's run for 9 yards! He's proven that QB is easy for him - time to learn a new position and dominate fools at TE. He's going to make Calvin Pryor his bitch in week 7. After that performance, forget taking him over Amaro, we're going to regret not taking Jimmy the Greekish in round 1. Book it. I called it here first. Bump this thread later. #fistbumpbro
At 6'2" he's not going to be able to play Brady's game plan as consistently. The Pats will have to evolve from the simple seams game that Brady is the master of. My gut tells me that Garoppolo will be a decent NFL QB but a huge step down from Brady and the Pats will decline as a result. Belichik will either retire or go back to building his defense to dominate.
The Pats likely would hope to see Garappolo grow into a good replacement for Brady, but ftr they are not necessarily tied to him by any means. Brady unfortunately probably will play a couple or few more years. By then the Pats may have someone else.
I'm guessing this is Brady's last really good year. He declined significantly last year and he just turned 37. That doesn't mean the Pats won't play him at QB for 3 more years but the glory seasons are behind him.
You keep saying he declined significantly as if his pathetic WR corp and losing both TEs their new system was built around had nothing to do with his drop in numbers. They still made the AFC title game. I hope you are right for our teams' sake but I don't see it
Time is the great leveler. Tom Brady may be as good at 38 as he was at 35 but the odds are strongly against it. I think he has a chance to have a bounce-back year this year and put up one more great season. Only a handful of QB's have been good at 38 and beyond. All of them were amazing physical specimens: Brett Favre, Warren Moon, John Elway (at 38 and then retired), Fran Tarkenton (great scrambler and retired after 38), Kurt Warner (extraordinarily fast release and retired after 38). You can make an argument for Vinny Testaverde in this category but he was really a backup after 2001 (at 38) and he had an extraordinary arm also.
QUESTION: Is Jace Amaro's attitude an issue? ANSWER: Jimmy Garoppolo is 6'2" and cannot execute a Brady offense.
You have a point with that in theory but what does that have to do with Tom Brady's "decline" last year? You seem to be attributing that to his age rather than the more obvious factors at hand. If he has a poor year this year with healthy NFL caliber weapons then you can say he "declined". But he did not "decline" due to age last year as you seem to be suggesting.
His QBR dropped 20% last year. That's independent of his receivers because all they're looking for is whether he made a good decision and a good throw. His TD% was the lowest of his career, including the rookie season. He was really mediocre out of the shotgun all season long. That was his bread and butter in the glory days. He has had excellent weapons to throw too since Randy Moss came to town, which is when he became a dominant QB. Now he doesn't have those and the dominant QB isn't there either. The odds are really good he was stepping down last year even if Welker stayed in town and one of the TE's was around for the whole season.
I noticed Brady got up slower when MoMilk crushed him in the overtime loss to the Jets last year! Must be Father Time knocking at his door. Plus you gotta wonder about his motivation to go through the riggers of training camps and the seasons when he has everything waiting for him at home. When he can't see the Pats winning it all or they start losing to the Jets on a regular basis...Brady is out of here.
Alright you're losing me. His QBR is independent of his receivers? Are we talking passer rating or the BSPN Total QBR? Either way, how is that independent of his receivers if a lack of good options being there means he doesn't throw them the ball and has to force it elsewhere. Saying that is independent of his QBR is laughable. It seems like you are just fucking with me right now because what you are saying makes no sense. He was "really mediocre out of the shotgun"...do you have some type of statistic to base this on or is this based upon your eye test? I'd like a link if you have it. Your second paragraph doesn't make sense either. You say he became a dominant QB when he got dominant weapons and go on to say that when they left he wasn't dominant. Where are you getting that he was likely stepping down if he still had great weapons? You are just making things up
Splits - Shotgun. 59.3 comp pct, 14 TD's, 10 Int, 5.81 YPA, 76.8 QB rating. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/splits/_/id/2330/tom-brady
Because a Hall of Fame QB can't complete passes to a mix of average and below average receivers? Seriously, in 2011 Tom Brady would have figured out a way to get those guys the ball more consistently than he did last year. His reflexes aren't as good as they were 3 years ago and his vision isn't as good as it was 3 years ago and his ability to heal from nagging injuries isn't as good as it was 3 years ago. That's the aging process. It happens to everybody. 37 happens to be a chronologically important year for great QB's. It tends to be the year before they retire if they're good enough to still be playing at 37. I'm thinking that having great receiving options in 2012 gave Brady an extra year of dominant play. Then the great receivers all went away and what we saw was the classic great QB in decline. Still more than good enough to lead his team but stepping down as most guys do at 36, 37, 38 or retired. Look at Joe Montana if you want an example that relates directly to Brady's ability to keep playing past 38. 1993 no WR's or TE's worth anything. 1994, the same and retired at the end of the year. He could still play the game but not at a high level. If he'd had Jerry Rice and company around he might have lasted another year.
Yes Peyton Manning seems to be declining with age too. He's older than Brady. 38, you know the year AFTER you're supposed to retire whatever that's supposed to mean. Lol. _
You are being silly. This is almost as bad as "It's easy to throw a football in Miami". Rather than actual football discussion you are just making things up based on some preconceived notion you have that a guy MUST magically start declining at a certain age and you are ram-rodding the surrounding factors in to support that. I have seen you banging this drum about "Brady's decline" ad nauseum and you just want to look all-knowing by crusading about his dropoff in numbers (which everyone who watched football knows the obvious explanation), and it is pretty lame on a message board. This discussion is over
Great post!! I would take Garappolo in a heartbeat and, sadly, he wasn't by the Jets (what else is new). His numbers will continue to speak to how good this guy is. Let the critics or the Amaro apologists blab. But Jetaho, you and I are in good company if Bill Bellichek likes JG. I posted earlier how BB is prob. laughing Idzik never followed up on him after the interview the Jets had with him. In the draft, the Jets made no moves to even try to get him in the second round. What more glaring need do you have for a team if not a need for a Plan B for Geno???? If we had gotten JG there would be a REAL competition at QB not the phony lie we have seen play out with Vick vs Geno. There are no guarantees in a players NFL carreer, but there is no way NE lets him walk. I had a big Post on him last May and today most people conveniently forgot he was even mentioned in the press at that time.
2 firsts and a 4th for a bowling ball with butcher knives because there were only "16 players worthy of a 1st rd grade"?!?! Or another DE from an obscure school over a HOF safety..... or maybe a 1st rd pick for an average TE and a kicker....... Heath Miller? NAH, we 'll take Doug Jolley & draft a kicker ??! We're in good hands
