Official NASCAR Thread

Discussion in 'Crystal Ball' started by GreenMachine, Feb 15, 2010.

  1. Barcs

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    I have to agree with this. There is still a lot we don't know, but he could have accelerated for a myriad of reasons. He might have started losing control of the car and tried to gun it to regain stability when he saw Ward on the track but it didn't work. I do agree that they need to change that rule. It doesn't matter that people do it all the time. It's dangerous and boneheaded.
     
  2. Borgata

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    I've heard this argument a few times and it's kinda ridiculous. Ward was not stationary, he was looking for Stewart to make a statement and got closest to Stewart's car. Getting a video from the stands would be crucial, because there might be chance Ward actually tried to grab into Stewarts car or grabbed the wing of the car. I've also heard that the cars are like Jet Skis in that you need to hit the gas to turn, especially if you are trying to make a quick turn. Hitting the gas could actually be his intent to miss Ward.
     
  3. Yisman

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    This could've all been prevented had Stewart avoided him like the other drivers did.

    Instead, Stewart hit him with his car and then showed zero remorse.

    Guys going out onto the track on motor sports is not uncommon. The difference is, drivers usually avoid the guy instead of running him over.

    This is on Stewart and you're being a jackass, which is also not uncommon.

    A)He obviously did wrong. For one, he started this whole thing to begin with by wrecking Ward. The whole incident would not have happened if Stewart weren't a scumbag. He did the same thing in the helmet-throwing race. He was at fault and caused a wreck and then threw a tantrum.
    B)Even if it was completely accidental, any decent human being wouldn't go out and race the very next day after killing someone. No respect for human life.
     
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    matt robinson 17 Well-Known Member

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    This why my question, he wrecked him, knew where he wrecked him, the caution came out, why then when he came around was he still so high on the track, he should have been down closer to the apron...even giving Stewart the benefit of the doubt, he is still a major loose cannon out there...Yisman
     
  5. Bellows1

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    Jet ski is a silly comparison, these cars turn like any other car... they brake the same way too. I don't think Stewart meant to kill him, but he surely meant to get close, spray dirt and piss the guy off more. He misjudged and hit him.
     
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    I agree Bellows, I think he just tried to buzz him, but got too close
     
  7. BrowningNagle

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    they aren't like your average car. you do need to accelerate on turns and the ass end slides on dirt tracks when you do that. I don't know anything about jet skis but I do know about dirt track vehicles.
     
  8. JStokes

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    I'm no dirt track fan/expert but it seems mighty coincidental that the guy who pushed him into the wall is also the guy who ran him over, yet every other driver on the track missed him.

    Not saying Stewart meant to kill him, maybe just meant to spray him, but it sounds just way too coincidental for it to be entirely accidental.

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  9. matt robinson 17

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    I agree Stokes
     
  10. JStokes

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    And you know what they taught us in the Agency, we can't afford to believe in coincidences.

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    That is true but the car in front of Tony almost hit Ward.
     
  12. JStokes

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    Oh I totally agree but he managed not to hit him. It just seems weird that the guy who pushed him into the wall took another full lap around the track and then ends up being the only driver to hit him.

    Again, I'm not a dirt track fan, haven't been to a race in 15 years, it's just so weird.

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  13. BrowningNagle

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    well the kid was wasn't walking directly towards the other cars either to be fair
     
  14. JStokes

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    Totally concur--he was definitely coming after Stewart. I just think Stewart was also coming after him. In a car.

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  15. Barcs

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    Stewart must be a Christian.
     
  16. TNJet

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    You don't see Mo Wilkerson going to intramural football games on college campuses, why should Tony go to an amateur race to compete. Tony swerved toward the racer who was out of his car. He may have attempted to kick up mud at him, but the result was far worse. Tony does jail time or the whole judicial system is a complete fucking farce.
     
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    There's a big difference with the way a car handles on a dirt track vs pavement. No, they don't turn like any other car nor brake.
     
  18. abyzmul

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    Stewart definitely shouldn't be racing back woods toothless hicks for pennies in a sprint car format. I was shocked to even hear that he was doing it last year after he destroyed his leg.

    That doesn't mean that he is Lawrence Taylor muscling down a, bunch of pre schoolers, because the conditions of the track and the limitations of the cars evens the field a lot. Anyone who has never raced is talking out of their asses if they think differently. Tony Stewart has spent his pro years driving finely tuned Indy and NASCAR machines on paved surfaces regulated strictly, it's as far from the same thing as Football versus Lacrosse.

    I've seen this video maybe 20 times, and I still don't know what to think of it. Stewart did wreck the kid, and Ward stayed at the top until he saw Stewart coming around, and charged down into the middle of the dirt track. That doesn't mean that Stewart had a clear sight of that side of the track, it doesn't mean he had constant communication with someone acting as a spotter, and it doesn't mean that Stewart had control of his car coming around that bend.

    He's got a history of temper issues, but someone please indicate where he has ever displayed criminal negligence.

    The only theory of negligence I have seen that might hold some tiny bit of water is that he tried to dust the guy with a mountain of mud. Maybe it's possible. Thin theory, but it should be followed up on.

    As far as his response in the media, I think it's pretty stupid to try to damn him for personal reasons for his statement. Nobody knows what was going on with him previous to his withdrawal from the Watkins Glen race or the statement he released. Nobody knows his state of mind or demeanor during that time, so stop acting like he didn't show remorse.

    I do think it's possible that he gets hit with an involuntary charge if they find out that he turned up track and sideways appearing to try to rooster tail, but condemning the guy like a murderer at this point is idiotic.
     
  19. Bellows1

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    Bull shit. Maybe at race speed, but these cars were under caution going less than 40 mph. It's a banked track, turning left is not an issue, nor is braking.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    It's a moving surface. Braking is always an issue.

     

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