How long can he ride making it to the AFC Championship game in 2009 and 2010? He gets us to the playoffs 50% of the time or better, then I am not complaining. It's not been that way though.
For as long as he doesn't have an NFL quality QB to get him back or until Chucky or Cowher decide they want to coach again..until then there is nobody better to turn to. Oh, and I doubt either of them would take the job anyway with the current QB situation.
I was at the scrimmage and I was close, relatively speaking, to where he caught it. I had a great real-time sightline is what I'm saying... It was just Hill being Hill, still acting the part of a raw rookie with poor technique. The pass from Geno was slightly behind. It required a slight adjustment (slow down and turn) from the WR, but it was a tight window he threw it and and it wasn't a bad pass by any means. Hill should get credit for getting open but he definitely didn't have to jump like that. So stupid. By doing that he ensured the play was dead where he caught it. Something he does way too much. Ajitator is stretching the truth to defend Hill (no surprise) when he mentions Landry in the area. He was but he wasn't that close that Hill needed to jump and trap the ball in traffic. I'm not a wide receiver expert, but it was poor technique. -A good NFL receiver slowly readjusts and catches that with his hands, trying to get more yardage out it -Brandon Marshall (just for an example of a very good wide NFL receiver) slowly readjusts, catches it with his hands, tucks it in and stiff-arms Landry, breaking the tackle for six points.--if Hill did that, I would've been pumped. That's how I want to see him play.
so you read that whole post and that's your response? That's what you got out of that? You are pretty terrible at posting and not worth my time of responding further
a successful WR we had for many years always used to jump when he didn't have to- Laveraneus Coles. Not saying hill will ever be as productive as Coles but there are many ways to succeed. Hill has one last chance w/ us.
Wow you people are ridiculous. I never said it was a great play from Hill, I'm not defending him. I even said on this particular play Landry would have had to make a crazy play to get there, But if he was just a step closer,.. or the ball floated for a half second longer he's right in on the play. Hill basically gets back to the ground as Landry is hitting him. To say he wasn't part of the play is crazy. He made the fucking tackle. I just brought up the couple situations where it would have been the "right" play to jump up and secure that ball the way he did. Was it super fluid? Fuck no.. Did he get open, Find the ball, and go up in the air and get it? Yes. It's preseason and he was protecting himself from getting lit up while securing the football. I could look up the 100 times just in this thread that people said he's incapable of doing any of those three things. If Hill caught that and went to the house you would all be blasting him for the color of his shoes. See my above post... We all understand that you don't like Stephen Hill, Continueing to blast him for plays that he makes doesn't help anyone.
Now you are trying so hard to defend Hill that you are making up arguments to debate against? Kind of like when FOX News "invites" liberal debate and chooses someone with the most extreme, over the top, dumb liberal view so that they can debate against it and look like the smart ones... I didn't say Landry wasn't in the area, in fact I said the opposite, I said that he was. All I am saying is that he didn't need to jump and by doing so he ensured the play was dead right there. That's what a raw unreliable WR does. Not one in his third year. Not a WR that someone should count on to be a team' top option. And your argument about him defending himself in a scrimmage might hold water if we were talking about a wide receiver that has established himself. Hill hasn't. He's done things like this in games. I get the feeling that it's just the same old, same old... I'm not blasting Hill for the play (at least he caught it) I even said he should get credit for getting open. I'm just saying I would like to see him play like a real receiver and try to catch that thing and run instead of unnecessarily jumping and trapping a pass like that. Your last statement about me criticizing him about his shoes if he scored on that is unfair and just trolling.
Not sure what you mean / are referring to here. He also "ensured" that he made the play and came down with the ball on a throw that was put into a dangerous area. As I said on this particular play Landry was a step behind, If that's Pryor coming across the field though? I'd put money on some wood getting laid on that play, In which case I'd be real happy that he locked up the catch and came down with it. So unestablished players have no right to try and defend themselves from big hits? Not blasting, Just calling him stupid, and saying that he's not good at anything haha. As I said before,. This argument isn't going to be solved until one of us is wrong. Maybe I should just avoid the topic.
Why are you trying so hard to discredit a player that just made a 41 yard reception? It will all play out we will see what Hill does in the upcoming weeks and season. Hill is on the Roster got open and made the catch. (according to some that is an accomplishment in and of itself). Now he did not catch it the proper way? He is not Brandon Marshall well no shit he is not. He is not even our number one that is Decker. That does not mean he cannot be a valuable asset on this team. He is young and was is very raw we all hope he gets better but to be so fucking negative at this point is asinine. I will let the coaching decide if he makes the roster not you because as you said you are not the slightest bit qualified to make that judgement. The only reason to get on a forum like this and attack a player as you have is to say I am right later on. You maybe but at this point in his career and development most of us will take a wait and see approach at least until the first preseason game.
Because he's not a very good football player. He's a tall guy with long strides and effortless long speed but no burst off the line, minimal quick-twitch athleticism, and weak instincts. He's the sort of guy who makes plays in practice but disappears once the lights go on and he has to make plays that count. He also drops as many passes as he catches and is always hurt.
It seems like we're all on different parts of the same page. I think it's pretty clear it wasn't the smoothest of catches and everyone admits it. Everyone also admits he isn't Brandon Marshall. This is just rehashing the same argument of Hill's potential. The current discussion isn't whether he can be a valuable asset to the team. People are just saying it is worrisome that he made the catch with poor technique, which is a very legitimate criticism. He has been given credit for getting open. Imagine Jace Amaro is in a run-blocking drill. However he stumbles a bit, and overall just uses bad technique. But in the process, ends up blocking the defender enough for the run to gain yards. Sure he got the block off, but he didn't do it as well as he could have. Overall though, no one is going to say that Amaro will never be a good blocker, just that he should have done better. Maybe if he did we would have scored a touchdown. But now imagine if this was his third year in the league and these stumble-blocks are reminiscent of a rough couple years. This is where people start to get frustrated. Sure he has potential, but we want to see full results. FWIW another view: http://www.newyorkjets.com/videos/v...en_Hill_/37bfca31-a11f-4435-b188-315f38d3de4a
Some of you guys have blown my mind in this thread. - Hill makes a 40+ yard reception, which was the best offensive play of the day by far, and you guys are complaining about his technique? I have been extremely hard on him but if he is going to make 10 awkward 40 yard catches next year, I would take that all day. "Jets Offense puts up 28 points in scrimmage against Defense." "Jets Defense holds the Jets offense to 3 points." Which one of those two things would freak you out more. If our average, work in progress, offense was able to score at will on our suppossed top 5 defense, or if the potentially best defense in the NFL completely shuts down a Jets offense that will be 15th best in the league at their absolute maximum potential. Seriously you guys need to relax a bit. If the defense would have gotten beat up the other day this forum would be in nuclear meltdown mode. Geno played OK, but obviously still needs to keep working. Vick didn't do anything in the passing game at all, but he showed that his speed and elusiveness and still there. Greg Salas may have bought himself a spot on the team. That's pretty much all the news from the scrimmage.
I would love nothing more than to see Hill succeed. I'd call myself a pretty big Hill supporter relative to a lot of Jets fans. That being said, it is perfectly reasonable to critique his catching if it limits his receiving skills. If he caught that ball in stride it is likely he could have taken that for a score. I'm pointing out this bad technique because it's something I hope he can improve on. I am not saying "Hill has no future in the NFL" or "Hill sucks, we should cut him." I'm saying this is an example of a play a raw receiver would make, and I was hoping at this point in his career he would be past this. Yes, he's still very young. Yes, he still has a lot of potential. But can we at least admit that he could have caught that better? I mean would you rather have 10 awkward catches for 40 yards or 10 good catches for 60+ yards and a TD? I think all Hill supporters (including me) talk about Hill's potential and how he can be a better receiver. But if we just say "Well you made the catch and that's all that matters," he won't improve. We (or I guess the coaches) need to say "Well you made the catch, and that's great, but it could have been better if you caught that in stride. Try to do that next time."
