While normally I agree with what you have to say, it seems to me you're leaning towards the black and white way of viewing things that many here do on this particular topic. What I'm saying is that you have 2 paths as a QB, improvement and regression/non-improvement. Even if you continue on the path of improvement, experience is a key factor. So far Geno has shown improvement during his rookie season and during this offseason. We can see improvement throughout this season but that does not guarantee he will be a top 15 or better QB. Until we see a consistent halt to improvement, there is no reason to proclaim him a scrub. I wrote out that list because I wanted to see if you could genuinely pick out players who you would not feel silly verbalizing that Geno will rank better than them. Is it possible he could be better than a number of those guys? Yes, but I think it is an unrealistic expectation. Perhaps he will show enough improvement by the end of the season that his last couple games show a QB that is better than 15th, but including from week 1 through week 17 I don't expect him to have consistently been a top 15 QB.
Since we're talking about black and white, maybe we should determine the criteria for what a quarterback ranking is in this argument. That's not an argument for some other time, since you were the one to mention top 15.
This is the main question. What constitutes a good QB early in his career? I think we can all agree that Geno Smith was bad last year. The question is what would be a good enough performance to make us see him as a viable QB moving forward? Just improving on last year's numbers won't do the trick. He was bad enough that he could improve and still be a bad QB. My criteria would be: 1. Games won as starting QB. 2. Games lost due to his performance. 3. Statistical ranking compared to other early career QB's. I think all 3 are factors we will have to look at when we make the evaluation. I'm guessing the decision won't be hard to make. If the Jets don't win enough games he's going to be have to be very good statistically speaking and not losing games due to his errors for us to think he might be viable. If the Jets win a lot of games but it's not clear that he's a main reason why and he's not losing games himself then we're in the question moving forward. If the Jets are losing games due to his errors I have to think we'll be ready to push him aside for the next candidate.
I mean it's a relative debate and I guess you could use the total QBR as it seems to be a relatively decent measure of QB play, but I mean more or less the eye test. I'll be the first to throw a party for myself (since know about 1 other Jets fan where I live) if Geno blows us all away but it's just not an expectation I have. What would you use? And I'm asking completely in earnest, not trying to be a dick at all but out of who I listed, who do you genuinely expect Geno to be a better QB than thus ranking him in the top 15? I respect your opinion which is why I want to know. I threw out 15 without going through the list mentally but even after looking at the list I just don't expect Geno to surpass any of the top 15 or so guys in his second year. Year 3 could be a totally different story, of course my actual expectation completely depends on his play this year. I really don't think a QB's ultimate top out shows in his second year, so should he show real improvement this year he may be much better after another year. The most important part of judging a quarterback's potential is based on his ability to learn and adjust in my opinion, so I'm not hating on Geno I just want to be realistic about expectations for this coming season and how big of a jump he might make.
Definitely not the best and definitely not the worst. Had Vick started the entire year, our record wouldn't be so terrible. A lot of games lost this year because of QB play. We wouldn't have a winning record, likely, but it also wouldn't have been this bad, in my opinion.
Agree completely. This team is bad, very bad. I just think a QB with more experience might have won us a few more games. All speculation though. Doesn't mean shit
I poured two bowls of Jets jungle punch for people to drink from. You drank the wrong one. Don't feel bad. So did I.
I had it tattooed word-for-word on my back anticipating it would be my new avatar after the Jets won the SB. Now what?
Had Vick not had the performance he did last week I would have laughed at you. But other than our secondary the rest of the team isn't bad. The problem is the secondary is a major weakness. Everybody talks about Mariota, but I don't think we can afford him.
So reading this through it's easy to see where the season went south. 1. Terrible injury run. The two best CB's on the roster in terms of overall value both on IR. The third best CB blew out in training camp and was cut. 2. The Jets couldn't find the competent LG out of their field of candidates until an injury IR'd Winters for the season. Willie Colon has been bad at RG with 10 penalties in 10 games. 3. The Jets couldn't pull the trigger on benching Geno, even with a viable replacement for him and they probably lost 3 games as result of that. Then you have the luck element, which has really sucked for the Jets this year.
