Football Outsiders: Darrin Walls a Breakout Prospect

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  1. PolygamyWinsChampionships

    PolygamyWinsChampionships Well-Known Member

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    You were too high on Simms. He showed he could be an average/above average backup but I never saw any franchise QB flashes and you made out his potential along those lines.

    Walls I agree. That 28" stat makes a lot of sense in retrospect and whether he can improve on it or get craftier to minimize that flaw will probably dictate his future potential as an NFL starting CB. I've been higher on him than most on here right along but wouldn't go past cautiously optimistic for his true potential.
     
  2. fltflo

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    Every indication with just two days of camp in the books is, DMac could have been the steal of the draft. I have read nothing but praise for his abilities and work ethic. My money says this kid is starting opposite Millner by mid season if not before
     
  3. PolygamyWinsChampionships

    PolygamyWinsChampionships Well-Known Member

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    Milliner was the 9th pick and had a lot more experience than Dex, look at the learning curve he had CB is a tough transition. If Dex is starting mid-season it probably doesn't bode well for the unit this year, even if he turns out to be a good player year 2/3. I'd rather have Walls this year in most scenarios.
     
  4. Turbocharged23

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    No, not necessarily a bad thing. Dexter wasn't a first ground pick butwho knows what he may have been if he played out his season and hadn't gotten injured. We have to be playing the best guy on the field - last year we didn't with Cromartie and it burned us, repeatedly. If he keeps playing lights out, mastering the playbook and watching film and backing it up on the field, I don't see why he can't earn a starting role.
     
  5. PolygamyWinsChampionships

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    I'd rather root for him to develop nicely and play himself into significant action year 2 than root for ridiculous longshot miracles.
     
  6. abyzmul

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    There's no proof that I was too high on Simms, only opinion. The kid has some serious talent, and since he will never get the chance to prove it with this team, maybe it's best that Rex's crush Boyd makes the team and Simms finds a job elsewhere. He's going to start for a team. That's a given.

    As far as Walls, who gives a flying fuck about combine stats with this guy at this point? Workout stats are for prospects, not roster players. He showed a lot of promise in actual NFL games, although he was too raw to put it together. If he shows himself this season, we have a diamond, but it may already be too late for him. The Jets rely far too heavily on corners to wait for a slow developer. It is what it is.
     
  7. PolygamyWinsChampionships

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    Agree to disagree on Simms.

    Combine stats would generally be pretty meaningless at this point, but the only real flaw I find in Walls' game is his tendency to be in the right place at the right time and not quite get his hand in to break the pass up. It just makes a lot of sense that that silly stat might be the thing that holds him back from truly breaking out. Or maybe he can get past it. Either way, it's something to consider and watch for as the year develops.
     
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    "The most popular player on most teams is the back up DB". Or is it the back up QB...no wait it's DB...wait...no yup it's DB
     
  9. fltflo

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    Just like what I am hearing about Dex. Yet, bottom line is best players start if they are rookies or Vets. The players who rise to the top and give us the best chance to win belong on the field. That one thing I love about Rex, he won't leave talent on the bench just because they are rookies.
     
  10. 101GangGreen101

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    We shall really see now. I hope he can win the starting job over Wilson and Patterson.
     
  11. Jets Esq.

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    I can't see the Jets keeping Boyd over Simms. Most likely Boyd goes on the PS even if he stays terrible.

    The odds are against Simms ever starting a full season, IMO- regardless of his talent. He will need an injury ahead of him on any team- and then also need to come on strong immediately. He has the UDFA stigma working against him and coaches & GMs take that seriously.
     
  12. wewantsapp

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    This thread needs a bump. Darrin Walls has been more than a capable replacement when called upon to step in. Not sure what our CS has against him because I feel he's been relatively unappreciated. Until he proves me otherwise, I'd consider Walls a full time starter regardless of who comes back from injury.
     
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    what do you mean "not sure what our CS has against him". THey have nothing against him
     
  14. IBLEEDGREEN17

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    pretty dumb if they keep allen at cb, walls seems to have been playing better thus far. when dee returns, allen should return to SS. it makes too much sense so that probably won't happen.
     
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    He's starting to get props now from the media.

    http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/20...mark_biggest_surprise_and_disappointment.html

    Walls can hold his own as the #2 CB, been saying this all off-season just give that man a shot, it took like 3 preseason games and an injury for Rex Ryan to put him in the starting lineup. He may bend, but he doesn't break. I wish he could generate turnovers, then he could become a really good player in this league. When Milliner comes back, they should put Allen back to safety.
     
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    CS was giving McDougal starting reps in TC while Walls was getting minimum. CS went to Antonio Allen as the first option to start next to Milliner after Patterson was cut & McDougal tore his ACL. I'm a huge Antonio Allen fan, ---- but going first to Walls should be a no-brainer.

    That's my detailed explanation for my opinion that the CS has virtually ignored the skill set of Darrin Walls. Almost like they have something against the guy.
     
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    Walls can hold his own as the #2 CB, been saying this all off-season just give that man a shot, it took like 3 preseason games and an injury for Rex Ryan to put him in the starting lineup. He may bend, but he doesn't break. I wish he could generate turnovers, then he could become a really good player in this league. When Milliner comes back, they should put Allen back to safety.[/quote]

    Perfect, ----- as you see it my way.
     
  18. legler82

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    The only real flaw is Walls' game is competing for the ball at the catch point. He doesn't have the hops to get at those jump balls. That's not too much of an issue provided you develop a technique to compensate such as grabbing the arms on the way down. Too many times he doesn't even do that. He needs to work on that as teams will quickly figure out that Walls' man has a very good chance to coming down with the ball even when it looks like he is blanketed.
     
  19. legler82

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    Perfect, ----- as you see it my way.[/quote]

    Since Pryor has struggled in coverage, particularly in the deep part of the field, I don't see the bold happening. Landry is likely to man the FS spot all year unless injured. He's the only one of our safeties not completely lost coverage, communicating the calls and lining every one up. Pryor and Allen may be our future safety pairing when/if they are able to trust Pryor with Landry's many reponsibilities. If that never happens, then Pryor will be our SS and AA will be playing SS somewhere else once his contract is up.
     
  20. pclfan

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    Basically what Rex said about Walls going into the season is that he's a decent cover corner but can't hold onto the ball. He can usually stay with his man and sometimes break up a play but when it comes to catching a ball and making a pick he's doesn't make plays. To me it means he's ok. The most important things that a corner can do is cover the receiver. We've seen mistakes and lack of communication on some plays but overall he's a good player.
     

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