I don't think you are bashing me and I agree with you for the most part about Geno holding a clipboard, but a 4 year college QB should not be concerned with counting his steps on drop backs. Sorry I'm not accepting him being a rookie as an excuse on this one.
I can state without question, that I am not a big Geno Smith fan - I would have laid down in the middle of Times Square during midday if the Jest had used their No#1 on him. But for you to make such a statement regarding his inability to do fake hand-offs in the pros compared to college? LOL, that is utter nonsense. And that his learning curve , after 1 year, is such that it's time to look for another QB??? That's even more laughable. You can name just about any rookie QB making that leap to the pros and have concerns about anything. What would you have done after Eli Manning's first season with the Giants? Hey, now that is pretty sad.
I know that all QB's have their issues, however counting their steps on drop backs SHOULD NOT be one of those issues. Most of the QB's coming out of college have similar issues in regards to the speed of the game, the passing lanes closing up faster than the college game, the terminology of the offense, defenses being disguised better..etc That's not what we are talking about here, if he came out of college and he still has to count his steps as he drops back, IMO it's not a good sign for our QB. What does Eli manning have to do with this? He was a more polished QB coming out of college than Geno ever was, we are comparing apples to oranges.
lol...show me one rookie QB that spent his last 8 years taking snaps out of the shotgun that wouldn't struggle a little taking snaps from under center. And if he has that problem fixed now, why are you still complaining about it?
To answer your first question: Cam Newton. I know it was not 8 years but played in Florida behind Tebow and played in some if their games, after going to auburn he was in the shotgun formation 99% of his snaps. As far as your second question, I'm not complaining, I just expressed an opinion. Dude don't be one of those fans that resemble the Tebots that were on this board who felt it was their life duty to protect their idol from any criticism or any opinion that was not positive towards him.
Ah yes BrdwaySux with another long winded post that basically says nothing. I get it: build your offense around a guys skills. As you mentioned, Geno's strengths are his strong deep ball, and his mobility. Before I ask what kind of offense you would devise that suits those "strengths", let's evaluate the strengths themselves. Geno has a strong arm in the sense that he can throw it deep. However his accuracy is god awful. The only offensive system I can think of that would play to this is having a bunch of tall guys run go routes with max protection all game. Ok, thats an exaggeration, but his strong arm isn't even remotely enough to build a real system around. His lack of touch, accuracy, footwork, release, all hinder the type of throws he can make. So what specific system would YOU design around his arm strengths and thus avoiding his arm weaknesses? Secondly, mobility is easily the most generalized and overrated characteristic of a QB. Geno is in no way as fast, elusive, or quick as say a Kaepernick, a Vick, or even a Cam Newton. He is also more slight than those guys, and the lack of elusiveness/speed/size is a terrible combination for having your franchise QB be a run oriented player. In addition, he is not elusive or quick in the pocket as say a Big Ben, or even an Eli Manning. He's a young guy who, when compared to Brady/Manning/Brees would be considered mobile, but he isn't Warren Moon. If you were to devise a read option offense where he kept the ball a ton and ran, you could build a mediocre at best system. So while your post in theory makes sense, Bway, I fail to see how "playing to Geno's strengths and avoiding his weaknesses" can be feasibly turned into a legit offensive system. Run, throw deep, and avoid everything else? That's what we have to build our franchise QB around??
lol...I'll criticize Geno where he deserves it...like staring down his WRs, holding onto the ball too long, etc. However, I will definitely give him some time to get used to taking snaps from under center before I criticize him for that. I'm not sure what kind of system he was in while in middle school, but he's been in the shotgun since high school, so I'm willing to give him some slack for not being used to it last year. If he is still bad at it this year and especially if he's still counting steps, then yes, that is bad. But from what everyone is saying, he's already fixed that problem. But you have so many QBs working primarily out of the shotgun until they get to the NFL any more that you probably won't see too many rookies who are ready for it right out of college. While I think Geno will be much improved this year, he still has a lot of work to do before he'll be a great NFL QB. Here is a fun fact...last year was the first year Geno wasn't throwing to Stedman Bailey since the 7th grade.
I think one of Geno's biggest flaws, is he has a decent arm, ut horrible down the field accuracy. I know there are stats that say he completed a lot of deep passes, but man he throws one ugly deep ball.
So his "biggest flaw" is having "horrible downfield accuracy"? His deep ball accuracy was in the upper echelon of qb's last year...
FYI recently watched the movie "Trouble With the Curve " again & again got PO when it reminded me how stupid our FO has been under both Woody & Leon
I just want to speak here to the general comment regarding mobility. What makes it even more overrated is the long term consideration that Qb's who run it tend to get injured more often. Take Vick. Over time he has become a much better, more accurate, passer. Increasingly more effective in the pocket. Yet the toll from injuries has mounted up, and he now has the reputation of being fragile. 34 years old, can still throw it, but he has trouble staying on the field. I understand your points about Smith in that regard. I don't want to pretend like I know, or even have good reason to think, that he's a type of Qb who is even more likely to get injured running it than average. He may be. But even if average in that regard, the long term risk is a factor. Of course for him, being concerned about the short to medium term, they may run him, anyway.
Don't waste your time with your logical argument. Your better off being a clone and joining the Eugene fan club on here.
just wondering, do you realize how much of a douche you sound like by using "eugene" as if his name in long form is some kind of derogatory phrase?
That's his name fagjetfan ...look it up. http://sports.yahoo.com/alabama/football/recruiting/player-Eugene-Smith-54297
