It's probably going to put a lot of pressure on him and Rex, too, to decide whether Smith shows enough in camp to stick with him. But by then I assume the Jets will not have signed A Johnson, and if they have to go with Vick, it will be with a less stellar cast than if Johnson had been signed, obviously. Perhaps i was too hopeful when they signed Vick, as I thought they really would let him compete for the starting job, and he could (if he stayed healthy of course, a big if) lead this team to the playoffs. But as it stands now, it looks like the Jet organization is committed to a rebuilding year including letting Smith play until he either succeeds or fails. As a fan, I think that ends up being a lost opportunity for 14.
They are committed to building a long-term product. Rebuilding year implies the Jets believe they have no chance to win games. I find that to be false. This year is the year for the FO to find out if the Jets can win games with Geno Smith - that's not a rebuilding year. This could be a lost opportunity or the start of something special. Comes down to the young core improving.
Is it not true that finding out whether your Qb can win games is rebuilding the team at that position? I never heard the notion that a rebuilding year must include a belief that the team has NO CHANCE to win ANY games. WTF?
A rebuilding year implies the team has no goals other then developing / acquiring talent - we are trying to win games.
There is no such implication. I agree the goal is to win games. But apparently not as many games as possible this year - if that were the goal, the Jets would have used cap space to sign some better players, such as A Johnson.
This is simply not true. To win games you don't have to spend every dollar on the cap. Look at the Dolphins who gave Mike Wallace a shit-ton of money. Going out to the FA and acquiring a bunch of high priced players is not the way to go to win in this league. We had some crappy talent last year and won 8 games. We upgraded the wide receiver corps with more talent and younger faster legs. We are a faster team all around. We gained experience from last year. We are trying to win this year. The rebuild was last year and I already mentioned NFL turnarounds in this age don't take 4 or 5 years.
Just awful. Truly awful. Where did I say you have to spend every dollar to win games??? The real question is would signing A Johnson make the Jets a better team right now? A team more or less likely to win more games in 14 with him than without him?
You wanted us to resign Cro, you want Andre Johnson, you believe Woody Johnson was cheap as fuck for not keeping Revis. Yeah you want to spend every dollar. Andre Johnson does make them a better team - but it's not worth a potential high pick as well as a new contract. It's not what Idzik wants to do. You can rebuild via the draft and still look to win games. It doesn't have to be a rebuilding year. You are truly awful for making these posts.
I'm not sure who you are replying to but I'll jump into the fray for fun. To answer your question: yes. Johnson would make the team better and more likely to be in the playoff consideration. Is that the only question? No. Obviously we have future cap implications and young WR's on the roster that can develop with our young franchise QB. It depends on how John would like the team to grow vs rolling out everyone possibly for a run this season. So it's complicated by approach which I know you're aware. From what I know of AJ's situation is that he is very likely to be cut next season. He wants a 2 year deal that maximizes his value now as compared to when he's a FA at 34 and has to essentially be in a contract year at 33. He wants to be paid on last season's stats which will be hard to duplicate especially with the clowns at QB in Houston.
I still think Idzik/Rex/MM are VERY committed to making the POs (their jobs may be on the line). But how much sweeter would it be to: Make the POs, keep their jobs, AND do it all with the future of the franchise playing QB? They're going for it all out of the gate but won't be stupid if Geno falters.
I think the plan is for Geno to start, and then if it turns out he's still lousy, we have Vick who is competent. If they were determined to ride it out with him in 2014 no matter what, they would not have signed Vick. The idea is that they don't want to abandon Geno and his potential so soon. He was very raw, and the hope is that he can use that lousy year as a springboard into competent level play. If he still looks bad, we have Vick. They're not abandoning serious playoff hopes at all. But they're also not ditching Geno so quickly either.
Thank you. And you do not know what it would have cost to get him, so we can discount that high pick reference. Idzik from my understanding did not even try to make a deal for Johnson. My guess is he thinks the Jets will not be a contender this year, even with Johnson. He may be right.
I assume you are referring to something assholemyl posted, or this newbie troll Chad, both of whom I have on ignore, for excellent reasons. One might think I am at a disadvantage not knowing what you are referring to in this post, but that is outweighed by the benefits of the ignore feature in regard to such worthless excrement. So be it.
I don't think the Texans have said they are demanding a high pick for johnson. that may be what they want but I don't believe they've stayed it publicly. I think the only public statement they've made was that they aren't interested in dealing him.
Andre Johnson is one of the premier WRs in the league. Brandon Marshall was traded from the Dolphins to the Bears for 2 2nd round picks. It's going to cost the Jets picks as well as a potential contract restructure. Who knows what will come from that. Andre Johnson is the best player in Texans franchise history - they will not let him go for a late round pick. My guess is that Idzik wants to build this team via the draft and not take any shortcuts - this again does not mean the Jets are in a rebuilding stage. We tried trading for players during the Tannebaum era and we didn't see any VLTs out of it.
he's also 34, on the decline and has a monster contract. doubt anyone is giving up an early pick for him. that doesn't mean is not the along price though.
I understand all that. It is the connection between the investment in Smith and the lack of signing some of the people who imo could have helped the team this year. Many FO defenders have said that it's a great thing to be saving cap space for next year, and after that. The implication of that not only has to be that such cap money will be used, but will be used at a time that is better than this year, and what would meet that criterion? If the Jets are in a better position to pursue a playoff run then than now. And that means, if it is true, that the FO is not optimistic about a playoff run this year. This pov is confirmed imo by the failure to pursue someone like A Johnson.
