Geno Smith: Not Worst QB

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  1. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    I must say you do obtuse very well.

    If a team changes up their O, how would opponents have game film of the new O until it is actually used?

    There were a few notable ways in which the Jets changed up their O as was widely discussed here at the time. Surely you recall.
     
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  2. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    I think the only thing you can take away from those last 4 games is that Geno made better decisions with the football.
     
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  3. abyzmul

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    I don't think Bung Blocker has any idea how the offense was changed in the last 4 games. I don't think he understands football at all.
     
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  4. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    This wouldn't be the first time you are wrong.

    Clearly the game plan was to throw shorter passes, avoid tough throws, and take off when the opportunity presented itself.
     
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    abyzmul R.J. MacReady, 21018 Funniest Member Award Winner

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    Yeah, that's not a technical breakdown unless you don't understand football. Failure.
     
  6. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    This isn't the first time you have no clue what you are talking about.

    Geno still had options to throw the ball down-field. No one can tell Geno to run but himself unless it's a read option play. The TD runs the last 4 games? They weren't designed runs.

    Watch the games again.
     
  7. Big Blocker

    Big Blocker Well-Known Member

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    No clue? You are awful at precision in language. Just awful.

    Do you think it was just a coincidence that his completion percentage went up while his ypa went down the last four games? Or was it because they game planned short out passes instead of going down the field more?

    Here's a report on the Oakland game:

    Against a Raiders pass defense that came into the game No. 23 in the league in passing yards allowed, Smith was tidy in a game plan clearly scaled back after three weeks of struggles. Smith finished 16-of-25 for 219 yards with a passing touchdown and rushing touchdown.
    It was a reprieve for one week from the nonstop barrage of questions about whether Smith was still the starter. Last week, the Jets’ offense was horrible and Smith was benched at halftime despite the fact they were down just 6-0. Smith, to his credit, rebounded.
    “That’s the mark of this young man. He’s a resilient guy; he’s shown that he can bounce back,” head coach Rex Ryan said. “It was an excellent performance on his part and really the team in general. I think the way the offensive line protected, the way the receivers got open and made some great catches for him. Really, overall, a bounce back for us offensively and as a football team.”
    The Jets sprinkled in the run along with getting Smith moving out of the pocket by design. It kept the Raiders guessing and opened things up underneath.
    It was the first time since Oct. 27, in a blowout loss at the Bengals, that his completion percentage was over 50 percent. He also threw his first passing touchdown since Oct. 20.
    The majority of the routes were simple out patterns with very little coming down the field. Even the majority of the big yardage plays, such as Kellen Winslow’s 28-yard completion, were yards gained after the catch from short passes.
    The strategy worked as the Jets efficiently moved the ball down the field, making use of runs from their quarterback.


    http://www.metro.us/newyork/sports/...off-struggles-in-performance-against-oakland/

    While we're at it, how about some cite from you showing that the Jets did not change their offensive scheme in the last four games from the games that preceded them?
     
  8. 101GangGreen101

    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    You mentioned 1 game out of 4

    You still aren't understanding. Geno still made better decisions with the football. You can game-plan all you want, but it's still up to the QB to execute the correct play and get the ball into the correct receivers.

    Panthers game for example - we still were throwing short passes - the game-plan was virtually the same, but Geno still made bad decisions (including the pick 6 to put the game out of reach).
     
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    101GangGreen101 2018 Thread of the Year Award Winner

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    Even still, Geno had a 8.76 YPA against the Raiders and 7.04 against the Dolphins. That's pretty standard.

    It's all about making the proper reads and decisions with the ball. Earlier in the season, Geno would stay in the pocket when in reality he should have ran.
     
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    I'm as skeptical as anyone on geno but you cannot argue that he didn't play better the last 4 games of the season. I don't think he was much more than competent those games but it was surely better than the month of utter incompetence we saw prior.
     
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    It was nice to see him bounce back like that. The November he had might've been the worst month I've ever seen from an NFL QB ever. He could've folded easily but he didn't. That says a lot.
     
  12. JStokes

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    This.

    He protected the ball, had a better sense of where he was on the field and rather than making a mistake pulled the ball down and took off. MM took the ball out of his hands a bit, but Geno still had to execute competently and he did.

    I don't think it was any great turning of the corner for him as some here suggest, but he was much better those last 4 games regardless of the circumstances.

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  13. Big Blocker

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    Yes, it was the first game of the four, and the playcalling was different.

    I will wait for you to post some link saying that the playcalling and offensive scheme were the same in the last four as in the 12 before them. The rest of your post is off the point.
     
  14. Big Blocker

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    I don't disagree with any of this. 101 seems to imply there is some kind of binary choice between changing the game plan and execution, though. Obviously that implication is idiotic.
     
  15. Jets Esq.

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    Well, he was really great in college, and was available in the second round, so Idzik may have seen it as a great value play. We had Mark, who was definitely ready to play in the WCO. The thinking could've been "let Mark play in this rebuilding year, with the confidence of having earned the job, let him fail again, and then Geno can learn and hopefully be ready for the WCO in 2014. And hey, maybe by some miracle Mark actually ends up decent, playing in the perfect system for him."

    Geno should have spent his time off addressing the fundamentals with a QB coach who is extremely familiar with the WCO. Pay him $100,000 or whatever you have to, out of Geno's own pocket - and spend 5 months working with him on the fundamentals. Yes, also work out and study tape- but if he is ready to play in the WCO this year, combined with having a year of experience and tape, better weapons- he has the opportunity to be much better than he was last year.

    I know he worked out a lot on his time off, but I haven't heard whether he worked with a WCO QB coach on his fundamentals. If he's just a stronger, more experienced version of 2013 Geno and hasn't addressed his technical flaws, we're in trouble.
     
  16. 101GangGreen101

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    The play-calling was just as conservative (if not more) when the Jets played the Saints a few weeks before that stretch. They didn't just change it the last 4 games.

    His decision-making was better the last 4 games - that's really all you can take away from it.
     
  17. 101GangGreen101

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    You lack common sense. At the end of the day the QB STILL needs to make a decision with the football with the game-plan installed. The ball doesn't fucking travel on it's own.
     
  18. Footballgod214

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    I guess I interpreted your first post as "Geno's success was solely due to being new and now that DCs have his number his career is over". My interpretation was a combination of what your wording and your pessimistic glass is half empty personality.
     
  19. Big Blocker

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    So the performance on the field has NOTHING to do with the game plan and the role of the OC?
     
  20. 101GangGreen101

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    It plays a role, but at the end of the day - the only guy making the final decision is the QB. Geno still has to read the defense and execute the play. If Geno's decisions were as poor as they were earlier in the season, you would more than likely see more turnovers and fans here wouldn't think he has a promising future.

    It's like Sanchez - the kid understood what was going on in the film room (game plan, OC, etc) but at the end of the day when he stepped onto that field, his decision making was absolute shit. Didn't matter the game-plan or OC.
     

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