Personally I don't think we'll see a whole lot of snaps with Snacks and Ellis on the inside. They're two very big men, a bit big to play next to each other. I doubt we'll see that formation outside of a conceivable goal line situation, because it slows down your defense to have guys that big. Not to mention it basically takes Richardson out of the lineup, since he is not an edge defensive player. I guess if there was a situation where one of the other linemen was exhausted after paling a ton of snaps in a game it could happen. It makes more sense to rotate two big linemen like Snacks and Ellis with each other because you are preserving their energy and maximizing what they do on the field. They also basically do the same thing, which is mostly useful for a NT position and less so for two 3 technique combo or NT and 4/4i combo.
Hopefully Ellis stay healthy this year. He's a much better player than Harrison, and can get pressure on the ab. Something our dline has not been good at.
Well, Ellis has the potential to be a better player and has shown flashes, but hasn't been able to stay healthy. Harrison is a nice run stuffer, but I prefer the pass rushing ability ellis has over run stopping
Truth is fellas... Have you not been watching all these years so far? Throw all the "Typical schemes" out the window. When you play vs Rex, there are no typical schemes and fronts. He uses them all and uses many variations. To simply wanna call it a 4-3 or 3-4 would be doing a disservice to Rex. We've seen Rex have 1 DT and Blitz 6 while the DT drops into coverage... iow, The typical rules don't apply .. That said, I like Ellis but he hasn't played to his full potential until last year.. I think he will be an asset if he can stay healthy.
Both are very good, but Harrison did more last year than Ellis has done in his whole career. I think Ellis could be really good if given an extended chance. It will be interesting to see what happens to Ellis after this season when he's due a contract.
Harrison has much more experience. He was playing behind Pouha, he understands the scheme, and he has some serious talent on both sides. I don't think it's a bad thing to rotate them more regularly than Rex did last year, if Ellis really shows up this season, we're talking about a fourth or third for compensatory picks. And a contract for Ellis would be FAR less than one for Harrison.
goal line stands.....you'll see all the beef.. as far as standard early downs .... i would rather see Coples rushing than Ellis.
It's hard to say. Ellis hasn't really been able to stay healthy, but I feel both Ellis and Harrison are a bit over rated because of Wilks and Richardson in there. It's kind of hard to fail with those 2 guys around you. I mean they are good players, but nowhere near the level of Wilkerson. What do they know?
4 man fronts with this personal group are basically stacked fronts. The best part is that Wilk can line up as a nose tackle and Richardson can be either east or west, and the set can run as usual. They did this against New Orleans and Brees was clueless. One of the best passers in the league. Fucking clueless. What the Jets need to do is intimidate with three safeties. Make tight ends hesitant over the middle. Rex has dealt with this. He has won with Allen defending. What he needs is the small white angry guys to be afraid. Fuck Edelman. Beat his ass. This may be the best chance for the Jets to sweep a season against the Pats.
Great post but our corners have to hold up better. The pats weren't that effective as a wide receiver unit in general. We got lucky with a lot of drops and miscommunication on their end. Amendola had his seasonal injury and the rest of the corp aside Edelman were rookies. They added another vet with LaFell and another year in the system, they're gonna be more dangerous. Reports from ota's are that Boyce has been one of Brady's best targets along with Edelman and Amendola. Look for a breakout year from him. They'll attack us on the outside. Our safeties will have their hands full containing Gronkowski and the middle of the field, we need our corners to keep their big receivers in check. Should be a matchup to watch, our young DB's vs their young receivers.
The Patriots thrive on the unexpected. They run that spread to perfection, and they expect one guy to get open. Most of the time it is Edelman or Amendola. Belichick is that arrogant. Yeah, Gronk will be running wild outside, that's what he does, but he is a distraction. Pay attention to the short white guys. And you will win. Fuck that Patriots way. The Jets are sweeping the Pats this year. That's my only prediction for 2014. Fuck Belichick. And his neck vein.
The d-line seems to be the strength and on paper it would make sense to go to a 4-3. If we were to do that, we couldn't run a cover 2 because we're weak at lb. We wouldn't be able to rotate linemen as often so it might adversely impact the defense to go to a 4-3.
I'd be a bit shocked if Rex started trotting out a 4-3 base this season. He loves the 3-4 because you can shift into so many different alignments from it, it's a deceptive base with a versatile personnel group and it's why a lot of teams have adopted it over the past 10 or 20 years. Quarterbacks have to think a lot more. Plus, you really need a dominant weakside rusher for teams to take a 4-3 scheme seriously.
I agree with you completely. I guess my post was misleading. I wasn't advocating a 4-3. In addition to what you just wrote, we have three starters that can play NT, LDE, and perhaps RDE.
The beautiful thing about our front 7 is the versatility and there is no doubt that we will run many 4-3 fronts. We can go out on 3rd and long with a 4-3 alignment but pre-snap swap to a 3-4 pass rushing alignment. That totally fucks with a QB's read and O-Line's read. Even the best diagnosing Centers will have major difficulty making those kind of adjustments in time, and usually it revolves around a QB having to call out to the line. We can go out with what initially appears to be a 4 man front of Barnes, Wilk, Richardson, and Coples, but then switch Wilk to NT, put Richardson and Coples at DE, play Antwan Barnes as Rush OLB, Either of our ILB as the Strong Side OLB, and bring in a Safety as an ILB. Of course it depends on the opponents formation, but most of the time that happens we'd be in the Nickel anyway so instead of a true 4-3 we'd probably trot out in a 4-2-5 so we can do that with either a 2 CB 3S or 3CB 2S look. This is going to be fun to watch but there are 3 players who can really make our defense special if they can step up. If Coples can become a truly effective pass rusher while being moved around as such, that is huge, Milliner is going to have to really step up and be able to win all of his match ups, and Pryor is going to have to really grasp Rex's complicated defense well. If Pryor can mentally take everything Rex gives him, he is going to have over 100 tackles this year without a doubt. He's going to be cleaning up all over the field.
I think we need to do a better job of managing our personnel up front this year. Wilkerson played in nearly every snap last year and he was obviously fatigued, and there was a noticeable drop in his production in the last 4 games. We need him at full strength for the whole season if we want to make a run at the playoffs.
Wilk definitely needs a blow here and there this year, and I think he will get it with the DL coming into it's own. Chances are that he doesn't want one, though. Guy is a machine. In passing downs, he and Richardson can probably share 3T duties and there will be no drop off. I think the bigger question in that 4 down passing set is how the LE rotation works, because Pace is only getting older. There's a ton of youth behind him, they just have to find the right combo. And Coples... He needs to break out, or the Jets need to work a weak rotation to compensate.
I think this is a big part of why Rex wanted Pryor; those tiny guys will get crushed. Edelman used to be a QB, so I bet he'll be even more afraid of getting hit. Antonio Allen does a solid job against Gronk (who may be injured by then, since he's always getting hurt), so I definitely agree that those Wes Welker wannabes are the ones to focus on. What I hope Rex doesn't do is too many all out blitzes- I think we have to be a bit conservative and focus more on locking down receivers than on knocking down Brady.
