I think Geno would have to have a string of bad games for him to get benched. Unless he throws like 3 or 4 interceptions in one half, I don't see Geno getting benched that easily.
I do give him credit for engineering comebacks but he wasn't really good that year. He was average at best. I was happy that he made improvements that year after his bad rookie year. I thought that was the most important thing. But there's no way he "led" the Jets to 11-5.
I agree, but it becomes tempting with a player like Vick on the bench. (Assuming Vick is in good shape)
Assuming Geno opens the season as the #1 if the Jets lose the first couple of weeks and are not scoring points, Geno is on the bench. Rex cannot let the season get away from him. Rex's future employment lies in whether he can get the Jets going in the right direction again. Moral victories aren't gonna cut it IMO. If the Jets don't win 9 or 10 games I think Rex will be gone.
It will take more than a couple of weeks for Geno to find the bench. If that is what you were talking about with that "short leash" comment, you're wrong. Maybe you let your hate of Rex Ryan cloud your judgment. And yes, you will deny hating Rex, but that will be a lie.
I've said before that the Jets could be a borderline playoff team if they go with Vick, assuming he stays healthy. I don't HATE anyone. I don't think he's a great HC. I think he is too emotional. I think he can definitely get his team up for one game, usually vs the Pats. But there is almost always a hangover underperformance that follows. BTW, you really think the Jets will stay with Geno if they are 0-2 or 0-3 and not doing much offensively?
I think the Geno benching threshold will depend a lot on how Geno looks in the preseason. If he's still making stupid mistakes and we're losing, Rex is going to pull the plug quickly because he knows we won't come back from a 0-3 start to make the playoffs. That said, I'm hoping Geno makes a big step forward in 2014, and I think he can do it because he has more experience and better guys around him.
I think Geno doesn't have a short leash in 2014. I think he has no room to look bad at all. So the answer to the question of what happens if he throws a couple of picks in the first half against the Raiders is pretty simple: did he look bad throwing the picks and are the Jets in a hole? If the answers to both of those questions are yes then Vick is on the field after halftime. That doesn't mean that Geno doesn't start the next week again but I doubt the Jets view any of their games next year as fodder to develop Geno in. If he's not playing well early on the Jets are going to do what they need to do to win games. If the pattern is consistent he'll lose the job to Vick very quickly. That's just my guess of course. I expect him to do well though. I think the rookie shakes are over.
If we aren't scoring points, more than likely Geno Smith is struggling. It will still take more than a couple of weeks. Rex has this Jets team on the right path.
I don't give Mark a lot of credit, but I do give him credit for the 2010 season. Given his role on the team, he did a decent job and when we needed a play - he put us in positions to win games. I think you forgot the 3 week stretch where he was tossing TDs left and right (Weeks 2-4 against divisional foes). Hopefully Geno can make a bigger jump next season then Sanchez did - and hopefully he doesn't look back.
I like to think what you say here is what will happen, but at this point I really don't know. We may well know more after camp and pre-season. For example if Smith looks great before opening day, and any int's look like the fault of the receivers (which was NOT the case last year), then he may get more slack than you indicate. The real question is whose interests will predominate in choosing the length of Smith's leash. Assuming Vick looks competent when he gets the chance, and is healthy, I see Ryan as voting for a much shorter leash than Idzik for Smith. There's a school of thought out there that says Idzik has now either chosen to go with Ryan, now two years in a row, or at minimum bought into/accepted that Johnson wanted/wants Ryan. By that analysis Idzik does not really have a bigger reservoir of good will at this point, and is as much at risk as Ryan if the year is a poor effort for the Jets. But I still think Idzik would at minimum get one more year even if the Jets tank and Ryan is fired, so if that is correct, Idzik might well want to give Smith that longer leash. So while I"d like to think you are right, I just don't know at this point.
Some Smith defenders seem to be implying that much of the criticism of him is coming from posters who used to be Sanchez defenders. Hm. While there is probably some of that, I don't really see the connection. For my part I was an early Sanchez doubter, so that is not true of me. But even as a Sanchez doubter, I recognized how much the Jets had invested in him compared to Smith, and how little they had in alternative choices, whether on the roster at backup or in FA or the draft. At no time were the Jets anywhere close to where they are now with Vick available. And that ridiculous contract extension for Sanchez was on Tanny, and eventually was the single biggest reason he got fired. We as fans could only passively look on as the Sanchez era unfolded in all its gory ugliness. It was not equivalent to the current situation.
I was a Sanchez defender and now I am defending Geno. Not really defending either, I just look at the big picture. This is a great post on each of their situations though. Of course, the ideal situation for every Jets fan is that Geno takes a big step in Year 2 and proves he can be a franchise QB. If he doesn't, then they will insert Vick at some point, then look at all QB options in the 2015 Draft/Free agency.
Geno's college metric analysis pointed to him being a bust / backup QB material. He showed nothing on the field last year to contradict that analysis. His play only affirmed it. He needs massive improvement to become a solid NFL starting QB. The odds of this happening are very slim. I'm not saying don't give him a chance, but many fans need to seriously temper their expectations. The most unfortunate part of all of this is that drafting Geno last year, in a weak draft class, led to us not drafting a QB high this year, in a strong draft class. I really like the Pryor selection but having to pass on Bridgewater is hard to stomach. Jimmy G was nabbed by the pats early 2nd so he's off the board, But the other of my top three prospects was Savage, he was available in the third, with the way the draft fell, I would have liked to see us take him. Now if Geno turns out another poor season we have to draft another QB high anyway and throw a season away as we play a stop gap or let the rookie play instead of being able to insert a highly rated prospect that's had a year to develop. The only way next year wouldn't be a wash is if Vick stayed healthy and played well, but nobody in their right mind should count on that.
This is such an inaccurate evaluation of where Geno was coming out of college that I can't even figure out exactly where to begin in disputing it. I'll start off with Geno was considered to be a very raw QB prospect coming out of college due to playing in a spread and out of the shotgun for his junior and senior seasons. There was a lot of discussion about the development he would require to adjust successfully to the NFL. That is WAY off the notion that he was widely considered bust/backup material. There was no QB in Geno's graduating class that had a better chance to be a good starting NFL QB. There were safer picks, but those picks also came with a lower ceiling.
There is nothing spectacular about Jimmy Garoppolo's game. He's got shitty pocket presence, smaller hands then Geno Smith, and even more raw in regards to the pro-game. Geno has more experience, we were better off taking Geno in the 2nd round in the end I think. Jets don't have time to develop Garoppolo in my opinion, if we threw him into the fire like we did with Geno, we would be extremely frustrated as a fan-base, Geno was able to take some lumps and make better decisions at the end of the season, so let's see if he continues that progression. Passing on Bridgewater could cost us I agree - we'll have to see how he develops. I liked Derek Carr coming out as well. I'm interested to see how Geno plays this year. He's got a very high ceiling, in my opinion prob higher then the QBs you mentioned because of his dual-threat ability. He's certainty got my attention.
