Funny, most people don't mention the OL, esp the right side, which with Colon hurt is a problem. I have never been sold on Winters and their are talks that the rookie we nabbed could replace him. A little worrisome.
Doesn't change the fact that Palmer threw just as many interceptions. Palmer has had 3 seasons of 20 or more interceptions. Palmer also with the Raiders had a 4.9 interception rate, higher then Geno's rookie year. Palmer has Larry Fitzgerald who NEVER drops passes. Palmer is nothing more then a stop-gap at this stage. The Cardinals drafted Logan Thomas this off-season.
Schaub has no choice but to perform well this season, otherwise Derek Carr will be the starter - reports out of camp are that Derek Carr is farther ahead then anticipated. I do understand where you are coming from, statistically they are better QBs, but if you want to take a chance and build a young roster - then I think some would choose Geno Smith over those 4.
My thinking is that if last year we had (any) quarterback that was a starter for at least a 4 games last year (Fitzpatrick, Cassel, Henne, Flynn, etc) and they started all 16 games (just as geno did) they would have performed better than Smith mostly due to experience.
he was over 80 week 1 and had 147.7 vs. Atlanta. we don't have Peyton Manning's weapons but we are a million times better than last year and the best on paper since 2010. Palmer is also an experienced vet w/ one of the best WRs in the game to throw to. Geno was a rookie only playing b/c the starter got hurt and he had a beat up bad group of receivers.
I think people get way too wrapped up in the "finished product" portion of Geno's game. There are alot of moving parts in play when evaluating a QB no less a rookie w/ a lousy surrounding cast. Everyone has got an opinion cause of the high profile nature of the position..but I wonder if there'd be any difference in opinions to those who saw Geno in TC along w/ the regular season and those who solely watched the games. I've been going to Jets Training camp almost every year since 97. I've seen alot of QBs including rookies during that time frame. Geno was among the most impressive I witnessed especially among the rookies. Great command of the pocket,poised, smooth release & able to make all the throws. It boggles my mind how so many can be so irrationally impatient with a rookie QB. That's not to say that he should completely get a free pass..and nobody is putting him in the Pro bowl..but geez.Take the good with the bad.
How does this have anything to do with anyone being impatient with him? This is a list ranking the starting QB's and Geno it is probably accurate to rate Geno near the bottom of that list based on his performance to date. I don't see anyone saying he's a lost cause or anything to that affect in this thread.
Sometimes I think Kurt is a good poster even when I disagree with him. But he does have a tendency to come up with straw men in his arguments. You are correct that at least to my recollection no one has said he's a lost cause. And patience is not the issue, but rather his relatively poor performance to date. By that metric, no one should be surprised by a negative relative assessment.
Who gives a fuck? Let's see where he is at the start of this season. I honestly don't give a flying fuck where a rookie QB was ranked on a roster with less talent than a flag football team.
If Schaub fucks up at any point during the season, Carr is going to take over. Carr has closed the gap really quickly. He leapfrogged McGloin, it took only Carr a few practices. I will be watching Carr develop for the Raiders for sure, along with Bridgewater.
I think people get way too wrapped up in the "finished product" portion of Geno's game. There are alot of moving parts in play when evaluating a QB no less a rookie w/ a lousy surrounding cast. Everyone has got an opinion cause of the high profile nature of the position..but I wonder if there'd be any difference in opinions to those who saw Geno in TC along w/ the regular season and those who solely watched the games. I've been going to Jets Training camp almost every year since 97. I've seen alot of QBs including rookies during that time frame. Geno was among the most impressive I witnessed especially among the rookies. Great command of the pocket,poised, smooth release & able to make all the throws. It boggles my mind how so many can be so irrationally impatient with a rookie QB. That's not to say that he should completely get a free pass..and nobody is putting him in the Pro bowl..but geez.Take the good with the bad. Maybe not specifically in this thread..but I see plenty of posts on TGG writing the guy off. I don't disagree that he should be listed as a bottom tier QB at this point. I take exception to him being listed as the absolute worst especially compared to players like Henne, Schaub & EJ Manual.The same way I took exception to the Jets being ranked 32 in a similar style poll last off season by the same news outlet. I'm not one for conspiracies but I don't think it's a coincidence that all these national writers are constantly finding new ways to trash the Jets & rank them last in every metric they can think up. I'm not foolish to believe that over the last few years the Jets have deserved hype or that they belong at the top of any list tied to performance. But not once in the last few years have they been the worst team in football yet lists like this have created this "prevailing opinion" among mainstream NFL fans that the Jets really are this disorganized,untalented disaster of a franchise. I'm sorry but that just isn't true. Are they average to below average in many facets? Absolutely. But to act like we're back in the Kotite years it's maddening. As for criticisms regarding my posts & "straw men". I'm not here to please anyone & I grow tired of the constant labeling/judging that goes on re: Homers vs. dark siders. As if there is is this unspoken contest to see who can be the most impartial & down the middle. I speak my opinion.Some times bad...often times good. After all...I'm a Jets FAN. Fan is short for fanatic. I can't relate with those who come on here just to bitch & moan & give up on players like Geno so early in their career. I wish MORE people would feel the same way & actually SUPPORT this team like real fans should. The jets are in a unique position from a fan/local support perspective. There is very little to no "yay rah-rah" until sustained success is reached. They are in constant competition with the Giants for coverage never mind local homerism. Go to any other NFL city & you find support through good times & bad. Yeah maybe they bash players & wanna fire everybody the same way we do..but at the end of the day those cities/media outlets WANT their local team to ultimately succeed. That's not the case in this market. There's plenty of local NY media that'd be perfectly content seeing the Jets crash & burn to build up the Giants. I wish the Jet fan base would unite & stand above this. Hell if the Raiders can do it with their history/reputation..why not the Jets? If that passion is present within my posts so be it.
HAHAHAHA, I bet MLK Jr. wouldn't be able to bring this fan-base together, if he were alive today. Asking for a little too much here.
I think people get way too wrapped up in the "finished product" portion of Geno's game. There are alot of moving parts in play when evaluating a QB no less a rookie w/ a lousy surrounding cast. Everyone has got an opinion cause of the high profile nature of the position..but I wonder if there'd be any difference in opinions to those who saw Geno in TC along w/ the regular season and those who solely watched the games. I've been going to Jets Training camp almost every year since 97. I've seen alot of QBs including rookies during that time frame. Geno was among the most impressive I witnessed especially among the rookies. Great command of the pocket,poised, smooth release & able to make all the throws. It boggles my mind how so many can be so irrationally impatient with a rookie QB. That's not to say that he should completely get a free pass..and nobody is putting him in the Pro bowl..but geez.Take the good with the bad. Maybe not specifically in this thread..but I see plenty of posts on TGG writing the guy off. I don't disagree that he should be listed as a bottom tier QB at this point. I take exception to him being listed as the absolute worst especially compared to players like Henne, Schaub & EJ Manual.The same way I took exception to the Jets being ranked 32 in a similar style poll last off season by the same news outlet. I'm not one for conspiracies but I don't think it's a coincidence that all these national writers are constantly finding new ways to trash the Jets & rank them last in every metric they can think up. I'm not foolish to believe that over the last few years the Jets have deserved hype or that they belong at the top of any list tied to performance. But not once in the last few years have they been the worst team in football yet lists like this have created this "prevailing opinion" among mainstream NFL fans that the Jets really are this disorganized,untalented disaster of a franchise. I'm sorry but that just isn't true. Are they average to below average in many facets? Absolutely. But to act like we're back in the Kotite years it's maddening. As for criticisms regarding my posts & "straw men". I'm not here to please anyone & I grow tired of the constant labeling/judging that goes on re: Homers vs. dark siders. As if there is is this unspoken contest to see who can be the most impartial & down the middle. I speak my opinion.Some times bad...often times good. After all...I'm a Jets FAN. Fan is short for fanatic. I can't relate with those who come on here just to bitch & moan & give up on players like Geno so early in their career. I wish MORE people would feel the same way & actually SUPPORT this team like real fans should. The jets are in a unique position from a fan/local support perspective. There is very little to no "yay rah-rah" until sustained success is reached. They are in constant competition with the Giants for coverage never mind local homerism. Go to any other NFL city & you find support through good times & bad. Yeah maybe they bash players & wanna fire everybody the same way we do..but at the end of the day those cities/media outlets WANT their local team to ultimately succeed. That's not the case in this market. There's plenty of local NY media that'd be perfectly content seeing the Jets crash & burn to build up the Giants. I wish the Jet fan base would unite & stand above this. Hell if the Raiders can do it with their history/reputation..why not the Jets? If that passion is present within my posts so be it. I don't think I am. As much as I despise their fan base..look at the Red Sox. Before they ended the curse they couldn't have had a more miserable existence.They got similar treatment from national writers & were basically a national laughingstock. They had more internal turmoil & had put their fans through more torment than Jet fans can even comprehend. But they were ALWAYS supportive to their team,patient with young often times struggling prospects & were always united in their cause for them to end the curse. I witnessed it first hand living in CT & going to school in RI. It was annoying as hell for an opposing fan to have to hear "cowboy up" & "The idiots" all day long..but you can't tell me that fan base didn't fuel that franchise's drastic turnaround.I see that same type of passion among Jet fans..but I don't see the same unity or fight. It may sound tacky & cheesy..and maybe it is. But you can't tell me that fan support doesn't make a world of a difference & it can't raise a team's level of play.
I think people get way too wrapped up in the "finished product" portion of Geno's game. There are alot of moving parts in play when evaluating a QB no less a rookie w/ a lousy surrounding cast. Everyone has got an opinion cause of the high profile nature of the position..but I wonder if there'd be any difference in opinions to those who saw Geno in TC along w/ the regular season and those who solely watched the games. I've been going to Jets Training camp almost every year since 97. I've seen alot of QBs including rookies during that time frame. Geno was among the most impressive I witnessed especially among the rookies. Great command of the pocket,poised, smooth release & able to make all the throws. It boggles my mind how so many can be so irrationally impatient with a rookie QB. That's not to say that he should completely get a free pass..and nobody is putting him in the Pro bowl..but geez.Take the good with the bad. Maybe not specifically in this thread..but I see plenty of posts on TGG writing the guy off. I don't disagree that he should be listed as a bottom tier QB at this point. I take exception to him being listed as the absolute worst especially compared to players like Henne, Schaub & EJ Manual.The same way I took exception to the Jets being ranked 32 in a similar style poll last off season by the same news outlet. I'm not one for conspiracies but I don't think it's a coincidence that all these national writers are constantly finding new ways to trash the Jets & rank them last in every metric they can think up. I'm not foolish to believe that over the last few years the Jets have deserved hype or that they belong at the top of any list tied to performance. But not once in the last few years have they been the worst team in football yet lists like this have created this "prevailing opinion" among mainstream NFL fans that the Jets really are this disorganized,untalented disaster of a franchise. I'm sorry but that just isn't true. Are they average to below average in many facets? Absolutely. But to act like we're back in the Kotite years it's maddening. As for criticisms regarding my posts & "straw men". I'm not here to please anyone & I grow tired of the constant labeling/judging that goes on re: Homers vs. dark siders. As if there is is this unspoken contest to see who can be the most impartial & down the middle. I speak my opinion.Some times bad...often times good. After all...I'm a Jets FAN. Fan is short for fanatic. I can't relate with those who come on here just to bitch & moan & give up on players like Geno so early in their career. I wish MORE people would feel the same way & actually SUPPORT this team like real fans should. The jets are in a unique position from a fan/local support perspective. There is very little to no "yay rah-rah" until sustained success is reached. They are in constant competition with the Giants for coverage never mind local homerism. Go to any other NFL city & you find support through good times & bad. Yeah maybe they bash players & wanna fire everybody the same way we do..but at the end of the day those cities/media outlets WANT their local team to ultimately succeed. That's not the case in this market. There's plenty of local NY media that'd be perfectly content seeing the Jets crash & burn to build up the Giants. I wish the Jet fan base would unite & stand above this. Hell if the Raiders can do it with their history/reputation..why not the Jets? If that passion is present within my posts so be it. I don't think I am. As much as I despise their fan base..look at the Red Sox. Before they ended the curse they couldn't have had a more miserable existence.They got similar treatment from national writers & were basically a national laughingstock. They had more internal turmoil & had put their fans through more torment than Jet fans can even comprehend. But they were ALWAYS supportive to their team,patient with young often times struggling prospects & were always united in their cause for them to end the curse. I witnessed it first hand living in CT & going to school in RI. It was annoying as hell for an opposing fan to have to hear "cowboy up" & "The idiots" all day long..but you can't tell me that fan base didn't fuel that franchise's drastic turnaround.I see that same type of passion among Jet fans..but I don't see the same unity or fight. It may sound tacky & cheesy..and maybe it is. But you can't tell me that fan support doesn't make a world of a difference & it can't raise a team's level of play.
No way in hell should you even compare the 2. Andy played 3 years plus has one of the best WR in NFL in AJ Green. Geno doesn't even have a WR who should be mention in the same breath as Green. Plus it was has rookie year.
Jet fans are one of the more passionate fan-bases on this Earth in my opinion - a lot of people care about this team and want to see greatness, but there are far too many rotten eggs in this fan-base that contribute to this fan-base negatively. It will never happen, and the more the drought continues the more negative nancys we will see. I understand the Red Sox story, but we are not the Red Sox fan-base. Our fans talk so negatively about the team, we are so impatient. This franchise is trying to do some great things right now, this isn't the early 90s - I wish fans would understand that, but they cling onto the past so much.
