cakes wrote: I replied I can't wait until others point out he was the first to throw for 4,000 yards! ignoring how he threw away a great chance to win the division w/ all his INTs.
What era are you talking about? How many eras do you consider there to be in NFL history? To me, there are 6-8 depending upon how you want to break it down. No matter how lenient I can be, Tittle played in Namath's era. Mind you, their careers did not overlap.
I consider the era of Joe to be in the 60s and 70s. comparing players who didn't play while Joe was playing is a little silly.
Excuses about what? There is no need for me to make an excuse. The man is in the Hall of Fame. I am not the guy trying to kick Namath out of the HOF.
I am not trying to kick him out either, he belongs in the Hall for everything he meant to the growth of the game but he is at the bottom of the group of HOF QBs.
Then be fair and keep Bradshaw's post-1977 stats out of it. His TD to INT ratio was bad prior to the major rules changes and he played on a much better team than Namath. Didn't have to come back as much and take chances and risk INTs, etc.
Second time today you chose to ignore the main point of a post. Tarkenton, Dawson, Starr, and Staubach were the freaks in that department.
so we should only post Bradshaw young and struggling #s? even removing 1978 on he's minus 25 which is still much better than -47.
I didn't ignore anything, I posted peers of his in his generation. many think Joe was one of the greatest, if he was he should stack up w/ anyone in his era.
Re: the last sentence For the newbies, in my years on this forum, I have regularly stated Namath is among the worst of the Hall of Fame QBs. Also notable is that last week, I stated Namath is not in the Hall without a Super Bowl 3 win. nyjunc stated Namath needed the years in the 1970s in order to be enshrined. Amazing stuff.
1978 forward is a monumentally different era than 1950-77. Yeah, for purposes of your argument, if you at least want to be fair, keep Bradshaw's post 1977 numbers out of the discussion.
Today HOF stands for Hall Of Fantasy as in fantasy numbers. That's all it's about anymore. Back in the day HOF stood for Hall Of Fame, as in Famous. Willie Joe is still one of the most Famous QBs to ever play the game of American football. Remember, fantasy stats were invented so ignorant ppl could become experts. The game worked just fine before every element was boiled down to a fantasy stat.
He ended up "much" better due to massive rule changes. Compare Bradshaw's 1970-77 numbers to his 1978-83 numbers. The fact that Bradshaw was awful early is being used as an excuse?
no need to compare. Namath basically changed everything in the NFL when he played. He may not have been the greatest QB to play the game, but he was the greatest Jets player to ever wear the green & white. I agree with the "fame" part of the hall. Namath was, and still is, and will probably always be, one of the most "FAMOUS" players to ever play in the NFL. Thats the bottom line. So stop posting comparisons. It`s a silly argument for silly people. Carry on if you are silly.
