Do you have any information on how they've performed in an NFL game? I need that to make fair judgement. Again, you want to base everything off combine results mixed in with your opinion of their collegiate careers. How do combine numbers hold all the weight in the world, but the numbers from the 2013 season where pass attempts were literally even, hold nothing? What a joke.
And if we wanna talk about his Fresno State career... he was 2nd in the nation in yards per catch and finished with over 1000 yards receiving with 50 catches and 12 TDs. But those aren't combine numbers so... Edit: He also ran for 2 TDs in that same year.
it's not only about combine scores, or stats, or tape, it's all of the above. it's about predicting college to nfl success by looking at the common factors between current and past successful NFL players and then finding which college players have these attributes. Ellington has many attributes that successful slot receivers have. Saunders does not. This whole discussion started because I said I get pissed off that we passed on Ellington whenever I hear Saunders name. That's my fucking opinion. I really have nothing else to say about it that I haven't already posted.
I said ellingtons team passed about 25% less . this is true, do you really need me to post the math? give it a rest.
You also said you can't compare Saunders and Ellington, which is dumb. Even if it's your opinion, which you're entitled to... it's dumb.
Kerley is a money player. The problem is, he isn't a No. 1 and is barely a No. 2. The Jets brought in many receivers this year. I hope they find a way to keep him, but it'll depend on how much money they are going to allocate to a No. 3 receiver.
I don't think it matters what "number" receiver he is these days. In this offense he just needs to get open. He's been able to do that, or at least make the tough grand. Adding Decker, Amaro and CJ out of the backfield is only going to help him get open.
dafuq is a number one and two? god, I hate those phrases... they make no sense and mean nothing when you start to think about it. why is a position that has two or three starters with different roles numbered as if theres only one? to me its the equivalent of rating a linebacker corps by number instead of role. Instead of "hey we should really work on getting a quality MIKE linebacker" it would be "hey we should really work on getting a #1 linebacker". because a #1 linebacker is a thing right? thats how that works? Its just such an annoying misnomer.... who is the Patriots number 1? Are Gronk or Graham "#1's" despite not being WR's? doesn't every team have a #1 by virtue of each team having a receiver thats better than the others? how is a number 2 separated from a number 3? who cares about having a number 2 anyway? what the hell IS a number 2? It seems to me that what people mean when they say #1 is calvin johnson, and what they mean by #2 is somebody who seems good but isn't calvin johnson. It just irks me that its treated like some standard that needs to be adhered to, if you're WR corps doesn't project a a clear separation of talent that matches this imaginary and arbitrary standard try again! it just sounds like a phrase that belongs nowhere but in fantasy football. THEN it all makes sense. otherwise it feels like a BS term that everybody talks about but doesn't know how to properly articulate. ... alright rant over.
Good post..... I'd rather have 3-4 good WRs than a great #1 (that gets shut down by Revis) and a bunch of no names that can't catch.
My 2 cents on #1 vs. #2 #1 = a WR that is capable of getting open and making catches even though the defense will be accounting for them by way of double teams/help over the top most of the game. #2 = a WR that is capable of taking advantage of his one-on-one match up that is created thanks to the #1 WR drawing a double team. So essentially a #1 is expected to not completely disappear when facing double coverage.
Who cares about #1 vs #2 or whatever. The key is to have multiple reliable receivers for our QB so we can spread the defense out and spread the ball between out receivers. I don't think anyone wants to go to war against NE with 1 good receiver.
The idea of a #1 or #2 receiver seems to matter in the NFL. It seems like it matters to GM's, coaches, players and agents. GM's draft based on a receiver's potential to become a #1 or #2 (as opposed to slot) receiver. Coaches game plan accordingly (paying extra attention to #1's). Player's work hard to earn a #1 label or to shed the label of being "just" a slot guy. Agents and GM's use the term during negotiations. It may be a simple naming convention that in the grand scheme of things doesn't matter much - but if so then why is it's usage so prevalent in the NFL? Andre Roberts is a pretty decent comp for Kerley imo and he just got 16 million over 4 years - is that a figure anyone would be comfortable paying Kerley?
I've been seeing this comparison coming up a few times. The Redskins are notorious for their bloated free agent contracts. That said, I think Roberts is underrated so maybe that makes it a wash. They are similar size, both have sure hands. Kerley has really improved as a wr since being drafted. Roberts is a better athlete though. He doesn't have elite top end speed but he does have the speed to play outside, Kerley doesn't. This could be a reason he gets less.
It matters when it comes to how much money the FO is willing to spend on Kerley. That was my point. I didn't think it was that difficult to get. I believe he is going to command a healthy contract, one that our FO might not be willing to spend to keep him. I think it would be a mistake to let Kerley go, so I hope they can agree to something before he hits the open market, because I think he's a great receiver who is a weapon underneath.
I really don't think Kerley is that great, or will really command a large salary either (which is a good thing). As Jets fans, we've just been starved for weapons in recent years so a Jeremy Kerley seems better than he is. I appreciate the way he plays and I hope the Jets are able to hang onto him, but let's be real - on the majority of NFL teams he's simply a run of the mill complementary WR
A WR is rarely better than the guy tossing him the rock, so it may make sense to wait and see what Geno becomes before doling out big $$$$$$$ to Kerley. If Geno stays in the bottom 1/3, we may need the money for Adrian Petterson and some big fatties up front.
